greeney2 wrote:John 3:16 as I said "speaks for itself", and its content is crystal clear. It doesn't say, now go read about the bondwoman under it. Whatever your quotes are above, you followed them all with a long explanation, of what you think it all means to you. You are connecting dots from all over the bible, and making up what it all is suppose to mean, or at least the theology of your church believes it means. That is fine for you, you learn from your elders, you read it all for what it means to you in your life. Others may have a different meaning for it, and in a different context, or do not even see the relevance at all.
As you stated ...Green2...John 3:16 is not the whole Bible.
Yet here you are stating John 3:16 speaks for itself...but not referencing "The Whole council of God"..only John 3:16?? Do you not see something wrong with this position?
One of the things the Elders taught me ..was to beware of people who build their whole religion and belief system on John 3;16. And here you are.
Notice in particular Acts 20:27 about "all the council of god " or what is called " The Whole Council of God"
But also for context the Elders taught me to read the passages before and after what for one is looking to get context.
Act 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I [am] pure from the blood of all [men].
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Ths goes further...in the context but I think you get the idea.
Now Greeny2..I have posted passages from the Word which you, for whatever reason, are want not to comment on specifically to show where they are in error..but stick with John 3:16 as standing by itself.
There is in Bible Teaching what are called "Proof Texts" and "Reference Texts."
Proof Texts can stand by themselves. Reference texts will not stand entirely by themselves..but often people and "experts" who want to get the Bible to say what it does not say...will quote only reference texts...thinking no one will notice the difference..and most will not notice.
for example ...
John 5:24 and John 5:25 and it is difficult to argue or debate what they say. Usually what someone tries to do is debate those passages from another version of the Word..not the one being debated.
Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
There is no wiggle room here in a proof text like this..and hence this passage is seldom quoted by preachers teaching the world religion.
Talking about everlasting life here and being reborn after God's image. Covered in His Blood..able now to hear Him and His Word...even His Voice/Word away from the world around us.
What happens unless one knows..is that many people try to teach that one "gets" leverlasting life by these conditions...by these passages.
What these passages teach is that one "already has" everlasting life...."hath"..not gets..but Hath...already has Life...Life Everlasting..or Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins..whose name is also Life.
The key is knowing that not all heareth His Word. And this is taught in other places in the Word..in particularly when Jesus is rebuking the Pharisees. But one needs know the Whole Council of God to understand this..not only John 3:16. Because obvoiusly the Pharisees did not fit under John 3:16...for they are declared to be of their father the devil. Therefore the Pharisees are not part of the World of which is spoken about in John 3:16. God did not send his only begotten son for them..for if he did ..they would heareth God's word...ala John 5:24/25.
This is how one understands the Whole Council of God.
John 3:16 is a proof text that God loves. But what it is teaching is that God loves those He chose for He has put into them the ability to see and hear...Him and His Word. He did not do this for the Pharisees...just as He did not do this for Esau..of the same lump of clay as Jacob.
Hope this helps you and the other readers out here.