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Postby greeney2 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:58 pm

It is a very fine line between government controls, be it State or Federal, as to if we are free or oppressed. On one hand we have to have laws and a judicial system, on the other hand what parts of it a considered unnecessary and oppressive. Laws against morality and personal choices for example.

What the Federal Government does not cover, they leave to individual states, where issues now are being considered unconstitutional and oppressive if the requirements restrict or limit one the few. We are molded into thinking issues like same sex marriage are not the way anyone should think, but to make a society really free, it can not limit that. So our laws, limits, and restrictions are based on one way of thinking about somethings and builds in discrimination. When does that discrimination rise to a level of oppression/constitutional infringments, is the question. Is a restriction of only men in a men's club the oppression of women, and visa versa. We have many things that have basic requirements, such as the basic requirement of owning a gun. Is it all a plot against us, or just the liberal stance on the laws, making up these "grey areas"?
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Postby rath » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:11 pm

blackvault wrote:And just to add to that, with your logic, if the weapon doesn't matter, and if it kills it kills... then on the ban list:

Knives
Guns
Cars
Busses
Tractors
Hands
Feet
Bottles
Glass objects

Oh, and anything that can be sharpened.


It's true .... if you let them ban guns, then whats next ???

If they are allowed to ban guns in the USA, ..... then before you know it. they will seek to ban other things as well.

& before you know it, ........

The USA will be run by a bunch of fascist prudes' who will what to ban swearing & nudity on T.V, ...
The sale of large soft drinks at fast food shops ( because fast food & sugar case more deaths through obesity & cancer ... diabetes & high blood pressure ) & they may even seek to force fast food shops to publish the calorie count off their food right on the shop well' & on food packaging.

& we all know fatty foods & trans fats. food related diabetes & cancers, don't kill people. People do.



The USA would never force stricter laws regarding nudity, pornography & offensive language on television. Nor would the USA ever force tougher laws on fast food chains.
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:25 pm

rath wrote:
blackvault wrote:And just to add to that, with your logic, if the weapon doesn't matter, and if it kills it kills... then on the ban list:

Knives
Guns
Cars
Busses
Tractors
Hands
Feet
Bottles
Glass objects

Oh, and anything that can be sharpened.


It's true .... if you let them ban guns, then whats next ???

If they are allowed to ban guns in the USA, ..... then before you know it. they will seek to ban other things as well.



FYI some types of guns are already banned and some people are already prohibited from buying guns.
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Postby blackvault » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:31 pm

I meant that broadly and generally. Yes, I know they have outright bans on certain guns.

And... as we know... those guns still turn up on the streets. Thanks for making my point :)
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Postby orangetom1999 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:33 pm

Rath,

I find it ironic that in a time of so called evolution taking place that the epitomy of being human is to take ones clothes off to declare ones humanity.

I dont think that nudity is a good yardstick by which to measure mans progress. If that is all their is..I think we have not progressed or are going backwards ...intellect and science have failed us.

For I have a very strange belief and understanding that people/human beings are so much more than sex and sexuality...ie..nudity and pornography. Much much more.

If that is most of what people have to complain about ..I think their lives are to easy and greatly misunderstood..misdirected.


I do not, however, think it is the place of the state to regulate what we eat or drink. They have no business here. I think that is up to the individual and they are responsible and accountable for this...as well as paying for it. Not other peoples or systems.

I am not against alcohol or smoking...I do not believe these things are good for people (As a career opportunity) but I dont tell someone on what to spend their monies. Now when someone spends their monies with the intention of doing me or mine harm...now they have crossed a line.

But getting drunk or smoking yourself slowly to death..that is your business...not mine.



Offensive language. That too is not evolution taking place and there is no reason to glorify it as does Hollywood and also now that they are in bed together...politics. I think too...that this is an example of de evolution ..not evolution taking place.

Anyone with a minimum of skills can easily take language into the gutters. It takes no particular talent. And hollywood plus now politics, in bed with them, is working hard to put the rest of us into the gutters with them and call it glorious. I don't think so.

Movies and television/the body politic have all taken a huge step into the gutters and are trying to call it excellence. And for an overpriced ticket they want to haul the rest of us in there with them.

It is getting difficult to find a movie without alot of cussing and nudity/sexuality in it. Such things are not a substitute for good acting and a good story line.

I know this because they are running out of good quality material and are now so far gone into the pit/gutters that they now must insult the few of us who can still think for ourselves by producing the latest genre of epics based on comic books. Talk about de evolution taking place. Comic Books....Wow!!!




Drugs..for recreational purposes...This is to me the same as people worrying about banning swearing and nudity. If the peak performance of a person is to spend monies on such drugs..I dont want to be around any such person. I feel the same about career drinkers. I dont want to be around them as well. I am choosy about the people with whom I surround myself.

If the peak of someones performance is to pump monies and time into their souls in such a recreational drug manner..bon appetit. But it is to me a life wasted and not glorious at all.

I have better things to do with my life and monies earned at great risk than recretional drugs...including doing nothing.




Oh..and I think you are correct about this...very much so..

If they are allowed to ban guns in the USA, ..... then before you know it. they will seek to ban other things as well.


I believe over the long run ..the plans are to ban cars..internal combustion engines for private transportation and have everyone on Public Transport...or bicycles.

Cars kill and maim more people annually than guns ever did including children. Cars combined with alcohol are a very deadly combination. How about cars and recreational drugs??

At least in the horse or horse and buggy days the horse/mule could usually find the way home if he rider could just hang on. Mind you now many riders did not and often froze to death in the winter...but the horse or mule could usually get home. Not so with today's cars.

I think that.. just like guns...plans are quietly on the burners for an opportune time to stealthly turn an unthinking, overly emotional, and ignorant, easily controlled, and emoted public against vehicles and the internal combustion engine. Social engineers and psuedo leaders have already experimented with this against SUVs to gauge public reaction.

Thanks for your post.
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:49 pm

blackvault wrote:I meant that broadly and generally. Yes, I know they have outright bans on certain guns.

And... as we know... those guns still turn up on the streets. Thanks for making my point :)



People are going around saying that if they banned guns they'd have to ban everything that can be used to harm someone yet some guns already are banned.
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:33 pm

Why doesn't the concept of being able to have the firepower to match the threats come into consideration. You can restrict and limit all the honest legal people to death, but how are you going to control what is out in the black market, and in the hands of the bad guys. Consequently you will have the same senerio as the North Hollywood shootout with the cops. 2 guys with armored clothing on, held off the police force with weapons far and beyond what the cops had. You do the same thing with the public, and only the bad guys will be helped, by us not having equal fire power for protection.

The above video was a good example why, when a 15 year old leveled the playing field against 2 men who could have raped and killed the boys sister and him, because they over powered the kids. But this kid had the fire power to take them down. That is the point!
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Postby Wing-Zero » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:08 pm

at1with0 wrote:... yet some guns already are banned.


Such as?
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:21 pm

Wing-Zero wrote:
at1with0 wrote:... yet some guns already are banned.


Such as?


http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html


Machine and fully automatic guns.

What's next??
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Postby Wing-Zero » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:50 pm

at1with0 wrote:Machine and fully automatic guns.

What's next??


Hardly illegal, federally speaking. You just have many more hoops to jump through before being able to get one. With a Class III NFA license, which requires an extensive background check and a $200 tax stamp, you can buy a fully automatic firearm (albeit for tens of thousands of dollars) that was made before 1986.

Illegal would mean something like heroin, where you are not allowed to produce, buy, or sell; no if's, and's*, or but's.


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