Your article points out a flawed study. You can't just evaluate the # of gun deaths, you have to evaluate overall crime.
greeney2 wrote:Trying to convince Rath is an exercise in futility. Australia has about the same number of people total as California, New York, or Florida each have. Yet they also live in a country the size of the USA. We have 310 million people, about 10 times more total, in the same area. It you want to really compare facts and figures, multiply Australia's statistics by a factor of 10, to make the numbers proportionate.
greeney2 wrote:Trying to convince Rath is an exercise in futility. We have 310 million people, about 10 times more total, in the same area. It you want to really compare facts and figures, multiply Australia's statistics by a factor of 10, to make the numbers proportionate.
Australian Crime Data ....... (( Falling after gun reform in 1997. ))
This page first published 24 May 2012, last updated 3 December 2012Murder, 1.0 victims per 100,000 persons
Attempted murder, 0.9 victims per 100,000 persons
Manslaughter, 0.1 victims per 100,000 persons
Sexual assault, 79.5 victims per 100,000 persons
Kidnapping/abduction, 2.7 victims per 100,000 persons
Robbery, 56.0 victims per 100,000 persons.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... tistics~63
WEAPONS USED AGAINST VICTIMS OF CRIME RECORDED BY POLICE
In 2010, a weapon was used in 67% of murders, 71% of attempted murders, and 39% of robberies. The most common weapon type used in the commission of all three offences was a knife, which was used against 33% of murder, 28% of attempted murder, and 18% of robbery victims.
The next most common weapon type that was used against victims was a firearm, with 17% of murder, 24% of attempted murder, and 7% of robbery victims subjected to an offence involving a firearm.
The majority of sexual assault (98%), kidnapping/abduction (89%) and robbery victims (61%) did not have a weapon used against them in the commission of the offence.
rath wrote:Tough gun laws linked to fewer deaths
Bob Egelko - San Francisco chronicle,
Tuesday, December 25, 2012
But a new study by a San Francisco organization reaches the opposite conclusion: States with the most restrictive laws, including Connecticut and California, have lower rates of gun-related deaths, while states with few limits on firearms have the highest rates.
Connecticut had the fourth-strongest gun laws and was sixth-lowest in gun deaths, while Hawaii ranked fifth in gun control and had the lowest death rate.
At the other end of the scale, the report found that Alaska, Louisiana and Montana - all graded F for gun control - had the highest rates of deaths caused by gunfire, more than double California's rate. The law center graded all 50 states and gave an F, for weak regulation, to 24 of them.
the report said, quoting the federal Centers for Disease Control, California had 7.88 gun deaths for each 100,000 residents, compared with rates of 3.31 in Hawaii and 20.28 in Alaska.
More research is needed on the links between specific weapons regulations and fatalities, but "the data supports the common-sense conclusion that gun laws are a significant factor in a state's rate of gun deaths," said the report.
Since the report's release last month, The Chronicle has forwarded it for comment to four pro-gun organizations: the National Rifle Association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, Gun Owners of America and its state affiliate, Gun Owners of California. None replied to calls or e-mails.
But no state goes as far as the nation of Australia, which responded to a 1996 mass shooting by not only outlawing sales of semiautomatic rifles but also requiring owners of the weapons to turn them in for a refund. Gun deaths have plunged, and Australia has experienced no more large-scale shootings.
It's unlikely that the United States will do anything similar soon.
"We're just not there politically," Cutiletta said.
The report, "Gun Laws Matter," can be viewed at tinyurl.com/cj5x6vq.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Tou ... z2G9rbxrEY
rath wrote:Australian Crime Data ....... (( Falling after gun reform in 1997. ))
This page first published 24 May 2012, last updated 3 December 2012Murder, 1.0 victims per 100,000 personsCalifornia had 7.88 gun deaths for each 100,000 residents, compared with rates of 3.31 in Hawaii and 20.28 in Alaska.
California had 7.88 gun deaths for each 100,000 residents, compared with rates of 3.31 in Hawaii and 20.28 in Alaska.
rath wrote:If you can't get a gun .... you can't shoot anybody with one.
bionic wrote:so awful
I have to wonder how much online gaming and online encouragement (via boards and the like) pushing guns and violence, in general has to do with this.
A-lot of these young guys say stuff online like, "I am gonna go off soon" and nobody really takes it seriously. Some even encourage that talk. Maybe not realizing , while they themselves are not being serious, the person to whom they are communicating is. Or maybe someone viewing or listening to their conversation is more serious, and is feeling encouraged. I am not saying this is happening, but I do have to wonder. I feel with all the online, public talks we have, not knowing how we might be encouraging or discouraging someone in this way, we should, at least, take a moment to consider it.
They are saying he might have been on the autistic spectrum. I know that very high functioning autistics and asperger folks can sometimes have a really hard time with human interelations and empathy. This can set them up for being bullied or ostracized. Which, in turn, can create a monster in them over time, because of their lack of empathy issues.
I remember that one guy, the Virginia Tech shootings. He was also on the spectrum. This all concerns me personally, because as many of you know, my son is on the spectrum. He, though, very loving, has also shown that he does not get human emotion and empathy the way regular people do. Also, as he is going through puberty, with his testosterone levels rising, I have noticed a rise in his anger and agression issues.
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