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Postby capricorn » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:17 am

‘Jedi’ is now the most popular faith in the 'Other Religions' category in England and Wales. Those identifying with the Star Wars creed outnumber atheists, taking seventh place among all the major world religions, the 2011 census revealed.

http://rt.com/news/jedi-uk-religion-census-866/

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Postby orangetom1999 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:56 pm

LOL LOL LOL....ok!! Whatever floats your boat.

And they think Christians are gullible.

Nothing like a Public Education...ie..a television and movie education.

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Postby bionic » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:51 pm

one cult is as good as another
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:27 am

bionic wrote:one cult is as good as another


Hardly.

All religons are the same religion...all gods are the same god.

Hardly.


The tell tale is what fruit is it that they have produced??


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Postby bionic » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:30 am

says you..
repsectfully..
some people are allergic to certain fruits..
what fruit works for one, it might be toxic to another
You gotta go with what works best for you, I say
just my opinion, of course (God's too..it told me so..do you believe me?)
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:52 pm

bionic wrote:says you..
repsectfully..
some people are allergic to certain fruits..
what fruit works for one, it might be toxic to another
You gotta go with what works best for you, I say
just my opinion, of course (God's too..it told me so..do you believe me?)


Yes indeed..says me.

And respectfully back to you bionic...

while some people are indeed allergic to certain fruits...that is not the index of which I spoke.

I said ...the fruit tells of them and who they are...by the fruit produced. Not whether they were allergic to certain fruit/fruits.


For you see...Bionic..I have read certain books which are not available in public libraries..some of which I have in my private collection. These books I cannot read for long as they are very disturbing to ones countenance..or perhapsed more accurately ..people of certain countenance. They disturb something deep in side some peoples..a type of allergies if you like. I use them for certain references and then dont bother with them again. I do not spend hours attempting to read such books as they disturb one in some deep inner recesses.

Now this may sound strange but it is something one learns when one gets away from standard television/movie educations. It is not something which will be taught in public schools.


In similar context to allergies ..I have been privileged to know certain people who are sensitive around other peoples. They seem to know instinctively about the nature of other people..after only being around them for a few minutes..like radar seeing in the dark...so to speak. Most of them have been women/females. They know quickly and immediately ..danger.... to get away from certain peoples. A very very interesting phenomonon to observe first hand. And most of them have not been wrong in their "allergic instincts."

I can reasonably state that these people ..their allergic radar...works on a very different frequency from any of my radars.


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Postby at1with0 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:51 am

orangetom1999 wrote:LOL LOL LOL....ok!! Whatever floats your boat.

And they think Christians are gullible.

Nothing like a Public Education...ie..a television and movie education.

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orangetom1999 wrote:For you see...Bionic..I have read certain books which are not available in public libraries..some of which I have in my private collection.


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I'm afraid that it is foolish to mock what electronic media can teach (or fail to teach) yet place a great deal of faith in what books can teach. Lies on paper are just as common as lies in TV and movies. And I'm afraid the lies in books have blinded you to some extent.

So you have some secret books which disturb you. DO you want us to clap?

I am surprised that you are so gullible as to believe that your books can't tell lies while thinking everything on TV and in movies is a lie.
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Postby capricorn » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:23 am

Lets be real here, we are talking about core beliefs (what you base your whole system of rational and morals on). In essence, your soul.

I even have respect for the atheist since he/she develops a core belief system based on their 5 senses and utilizes practical logic in order to develop a harmony between themselves and their environment.

However, putting your faith and whole belief system behind concept created in Hollywood?? I mean, everyday we talk about the negative effects that movies have on our culture... but this is it in it's entirety. And you can bet your ass that as the new movies (created by Disney) evolve, so will this "faith".

But the overall shock that I take from this information is how influenced humans are by Hollywood. If humans can be consumed by such fantasy then it is pretty obvious they are being consumed by other programs. Violence, Sex, Drugs... Even pharmaceutical advertisements!

Maybe our old uncool parents were correct about all that crap. Are we really being brainwashed systematically? It sure seems like it.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am

Capicorn,

Wow!!! Well said. And I agree. I watch movies but am very careful about what someone tries to hook me on or get me to buy a plethora of products spun off a movies popularity.

It is the same with sports brainwashing and product sales.

I have no interest in purchasing a very overpriced jacket or umbrella or whatever the next nonsense someone is selling with a team logo in order to make a social statement.

Same thing with movies.

It took me some time to figure out the brainwashing angle of Star Trek and Star Wars or whatever nonsesne they are want to sell to us next.

It reminds me of the bright colours which shout out at one from the aisles at the toy store or toy department. "Take Me...buy Me." "Dont think but emote and buy me ..NoW!!"

I noted the same curb appeal in bright lights when I took a trip to Las Vegas..bright colours and bling. As if we are children and need this curb appeal rather than knowing the true value of the products.

I also note the same bright colours and curb appeal at the detergent aisle in the grocery stores...like appealing at some level to children. Colours stimulate emotions and often prevent thinking.

Movies and television do the same thing.

ONce I caught on to the Star Wars/Star Trek angle for a new world...I quickly separated from this kind of thinking and put a mark on it.

I have also extended this mark to much of what comes out of Hollywood and television.

While it is also propaganda..I sometimes find that the commerical technique is much more intelligent in its operation that much of the regular television programming.
And to me that is not saying much about television.

I too also have a certain respect for Atheists..but on other of their positions not at all.
For many of them are mostly emotions...and hollywood.



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I'm afraid that it is foolish to mock what electronic media can teach (or fail to teach) yet place a great deal of faith in what books can teach. Lies on paper are just as common as lies in TV and movies. And I'm afraid the lies in books have blinded you to some extent.

So you have some secret books which disturb you. DO you want us to clap?



Dont fall apart on me now. Hang in there at1with0



However...you are very correct about books ..even magazines.

One of the nicest magazines with fabulous photographic quality is National Geographic. But I am careful about what I buy in subject material from them as well. There are lots of nice magazines out here who are selling a lie or an illusion...a deception.

Quite correct.

And so too is Capicorn ably illustrating the same point about television and movies.

So how about our leadership..are they selling Idealism or real working concepts and principles which benefit people and not government??

Idealism...verses simplicity...Kant, Hume, Spinoza...Plato...et al. Idea stuff.

To my limited knowlede of history ...the Communists have been one of the biggest sellers and promoters of Idealism..followed by Socialists...

I call this "Bee Hiveism." The perfect utopia...ant farm. All stamped out like on a xerox machine.

Made me think of Frank Hurlberts utopian book years ago.."The Holstrum Hive."

Same with his Dune series.

Eastern thinking and philosophy masked as science fiction. And definitely teaching a religion.

Hurlberts mentioning of an "Orange Catholic Bible" was the give away.

Nonetheless..lies are indeed on paper...and in many other forms out here. It is up to us to learn the tools to decipher the lie and then ask ourselves the essence of the lie..the pattern...the very nature of the lie and where it intends to go or take us.

There are people out here who are quite capable of doing this and are now teaching others this line of thought.

This too is found in the "Ever War" for people who can think further than a movie and television standard of emotions.

I have been telling a number of people about this lecture series on the "Ever War." Some of them are finally getting around to listening to it. As it is a very long series...it takes some time to get into them and along to the pattern of thinking taking place.
But I am finally getting some feedback on it.

Most of the people who listened to it have never heard anything quite like it..even from their ministers. And definitely they have never heard this from televison/movies and the media or leadership...even government financed public education. It gives them new tools by which to examine the world around them...and question. Tools in thinking and understanding which most of the media and education out here try to prevent us from discovering.


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Postby at1with0 » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:55 am

Hey OT,

I actually agree with some of what you're saying.

IT's silly to mock the TV/movie education when there could very well be a pack of lies everywhere else in addition. No need to single out TV/movies.

I find it strange that you don't expose yourself to that which has been known to influence culture. Is that because you're afraid you, too will be assimilated? I can get through Star Wars and Genesis and not allow myself to take it literally and still enjoy and be fascinated by them.

I think your main agenda is to push this sentiment, mainly what's in BOLD.
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