The Black Vault

bionic wrote:so awful
I have to wonder how much online gaming and online encouragement (via boards and the like) pushing guns and violence, in general has to do with this.

A-lot of these young guys say stuff online like, "I am gonna go off soon" and nobody really takes it seriously. Some even encourage that talk. Maybe not realizing , while they themselves are not being serious, the person to whom they are communicating is. Or maybe someone viewing or listening to their conversation is more serious, and is feeling encouraged. I am not saying this is happening, but I do have to wonder. I feel with all the online, public talks we have, not knowing how we might be encouraging or discouraging someone in this way, we should, at least, take a moment to consider it.

They are saying he might have been on the autistic spectrum. I know that very high functioning autistics and asperger folks can sometimes have a really hard time with human interelations and empathy. This can set them up for being bullied or ostracized. Which, in turn, can create a monster in them over time, because of their lack of empathy issues.

I remember that one guy, the Virginia Tech shootings. He was also on the spectrum. This all concerns me personally, because as many of you know, my son is on the spectrum. He, though, very loving, has also shown that he does not get human emotion and empathy the way regular people do. Also, as he is going through puberty, with his testosterone levels rising, I have noticed a rise in his anger and agression issues.

greeney2 wrote:

rath wrote:Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

Don't argue with me, you own country said exactly what the truth is. Gun Control had no significant impact in Australia.

Results: In Victoria, two periods of legislative reform related to firearms followed mass shooting events in 1988 and 1996. A national firearm amnesty and buyback scheme followed the latter. Victorian and Australian rates of firearm related deaths before reforms (1979–86) were steady. After initial Victorian reforms, a significant downward trend was seen for numbers of all firearm related deaths between 1988 and 1995 (17.3% in Victoria compared with the rest of Australia, p<0.0001). A further significant decline between 1997 and 2000 followed the later reforms. After the later all state legislation, similar strong declines occurred in the rest of Australia from 1997 (14.0% reduction compared with Victoria, p = 0.0372). Victorian reductions were observed in frequencies of firearm related suicides, assaults, and unintentional deaths before and after the 1988 reforms, but statistical significance was reached only for suicide.
Conclusion: Dramatic reductions in overall firearm related deaths and particularly suicides by firearms were achieved in the context of the implementation of strong regulatory reform.

rath wrote:despite what you think Greeney2 .....

greeney2 wrote:Again your own country stated "gun control had no impact". YOU just have not had a shooting spree yet since the 1997 insodent, but you obviously still have the guns within your country to perpetrate it with, since the statistics have not impacted other crimes. It is not going to detour a mentally deranged mind either. I would like to know the details of how your gun control was put in place, after this 1997 spree. what is and is not allowed, how they enacted it, and how it affected guns already owned, etc. etc.

Take all the legal guns off the streets and out of homes that meet the criteria for automatic military assault weapons, and you could still have the same results with any number of hunting weapons. These modern assault weapons are registered, but how can you get them out of the underworld of gangs and crime, that have arsenals of them snuck into the country, or are stolen? You can't begin to imagine how many guns are in this world that are not registered. They range from antiques to military souvenirs of many wars. There have been just as many mass murders, and shooting sprees, done with what anyone would call a hunting rifle or bird hunting shotgun. These things have happened in the USA, Australia, Germany, Scotland, Finland, Norway.

Glad to see you back once in while Mael.

rath wrote:Do you really think he could have killed 28 people if all he had access to was a kitchen knife & a rolling pin.

chiselray wrote:if we explored the topic ( shooting spree ) ,maybe we could get to the nitty gritty ,why are we all of a sudden talking about BOMBS ...
These kids weren't killed by a bomb ,if any nutter can shoot his mama and steal her guns ,then what will stop teh next one from doing it.Iv'e noticed taht gun lovers automatically deny that any gun is a problem , when their love for guns is under the spotlight after such a tragedy,but then i think they can't defend really the actions of owning such weapons by josleling around the arguement and putting up comparisons that arent relevant to shooting sprees .
In china a man tried to kill 22 kids with a knife ,he got 22 with it ,but all lived ,so if comparisons should be relevant then i think all amercians should swap guns for knives maybe.

at1with0 wrote:And what is ultimately behind the psychopath?

mael wrote:Prescribed psychoactive medication. That's what the common denominator is. The media is shy to say it because such pharmaceuticals are a massive money-maker. Jobs are given to otherwise useless members of society, and they call them 'clinical psychologists.'

greeney2 wrote:I just showed you the statistics from your own bureau. Go argue with them about it, Australians don't lie!

rath wrote:despite what you think Greeney2 .....

I never said a thing about what I think concerning your gun control, I commented on your own reports, that it has not had any impact. I asked for the specifics of your gun control laws.

greeney2 wrote:From what you just said, buying a gun for personal protection is not allowed in Australia