En-Lugal wrote:I'll get the ball rolling then.
28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[ b ] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV
They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one--
The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies!
But thou are not dead. Thou livest and abidest forever,
For in thee we live and move and have our being.
Epimenides - "Cretica"
Poem to Zeus and quoted by Paul, who was a Jewish and Greek scholar, in the Bible. So I take it that Paul is telling us Zeus is the one true God and we are his offspring?
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apconte ... rticle=809
Christians and Jews were not the first to suggest a living God. The fact that the Greek pantheon and culture played such an important part in the lives and culture of the Jews and early Christians, who drew heavily on both cultures to form Christianity is non-debatable.
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Is this confirmation that Zeus is the one true God of the Bible? I don't recall the Hebrew God ever accepting worship of any idol.
In my opinion, the reason Christians get so offended at this notion is because of their fierce competition with Paganism for two millennium now.
I meean, it isn't enough to restructure all of your holy days to coincide and compete
but you also had to demonize their religion.
Satan is awfully similar to Samael
Citation from a Jewish source on the fact that Sumerian Proverbs are in the Bible.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... 16139.html
at1with0 wrote:What I meant is that it is missing the point of Christianity not missing the point of the thread.
frrostedman wrote:I saw by the way that Samael is also the name of a heavy metal band from Switzerland. Might I venture a guess that you listen to their music and did a little web-surfing to find out what their band name was all about?
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at1with0 wrote:Speaking of Solomon, I have come full circle regarding the Goetia. I used to believe King Solomon wrote it. Boy was I naive! Probably still am in some respects. When I was a kid, I tried summoning Dantalion so as to learn about Art and Science. He never appeared to my eyes though I definitely felt a presence. Then some questions started coming that I couldn't answer like if a human person is not bound by a triangle inscribed in a circle, then why would any "demon." Perhaps lightly practicing demonology is something that contributed to my subsequent touch of madness, as it were. Imagine a 17 year old playing with assault rifles. I can see why God forbade pagan practices, except the difference between myself and a "rank and file" Christian is that I have a glimpse into what those assault rifles can do.
Oh and frosty, putting an accent on the E in per se? Classic....
For some reason, non-Christian ideas influencing Christian ideas is not striking me as being more (or less) important than, say, non-English elements of language influencing English elements of language. In other words, so what if Christianity has had non-Christian influences?
at1with0 wrote:Oh and frosty, putting an accent on the E in per se? Classic....
frrostedman wrote:at1with0 wrote:Oh and frosty, putting an accent on the E in per se? Classic....
I thought it was proper. Thanks for the correction!
Well, I guess it IS proper, per se, if you want to spell it phonetically.
greeney2 wrote:People with a lot of tunnel vision usually do miss the point At1.
I guess to you OT everyone but you is a Heathen or Pagan.
But to suggest that Christianity was effectively borne from Paganism? Hogwash.
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