event_horizon wrote:You're twisting it out of proportion (like you always do). I was speaking in general. Go back and read it again.
I think he/she is capable of handling himself/herself on this matter just fine.
I appreciate that Greeney2 was offering a word on this and shedding some light that I may be getting into a circular argument. It's all good and yes we're all here to speak our minds.
event_horizon - My final statement on the matter is that the belief comes when you retract your defenses and allow it to. That's not to say, "give into make believe and superstition". It's simply to have faith that humankind doesn't have all of the answers, all of the data and all of the proof yet.
Isn't that the biggest argument of the atheist -"Ok, crack-smoking fairy-tale freaks! SHOW ME YOUR GOD, NOW!! NO? WHERE'S YOUR PROOF???" - That argument is exactly the same argument I have with my 10 month old. Dead set against believing that a bath has any real benefit and that it offers a better result over all. Being stuck in the moment and misery of the water and noise and having to sit still and be uncomfortable for 5 minutes.
Not everyone is at the same stage of acceptance of what is "fact" and what is "fake" at the same time. Disbelief is easy when trust is non-existent and the information hasn't been fully processed. Disbelief is logical and obvious when your only relationship with the idea of God is based on human flaw, like abusive parents and trouble with authority. All the little things add up and its a challenge to put trust in something "out of view".
My point is, like learning to take a bath on your own, sometimes you have to be called "the stinky kid in class" before you learn the benefit of doing so. Everyone is at a different cognitive level. Not "smarter" or "dumber", just different stages of enlightenment. What's so hard to believe about that, given the bathing analogy? Deciding to have faith in God because of the benefit in social behavior / peer group acceptance, "rewards beyond the grave", to meet new people and exchange new ideology, to help the community, to escape from drug abuse or gang-life and any other myriad of reasons is still and always will be a "logical" decision since it will ideally advance that individual to be a "better person" (I understand that THAT statement can ensue another 15 thousand lines of argument back and forth). But, to me, all of it is simple once you learn to accept the sometimes uncomfortable notion that spending time, believing (bathing) gets you more - More of everything.
Best of luck to you in your search - I'm not convinced that you're not searching.
Real atheists don't troll or banter with the likes of us "crazies". They flat-out live off the grid and have no "mission" to change the minds of the faithful.
Blessed be your search - Un-cross your arms - Open your palms, face to the sky, in Sunlight, starlight or moonlight...Just breathe. Who knows what might happen.
Have a wonderful day!