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Postby greeney2 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:00 am

How about lying to hide total incompetence and hide a political decision that cost these lives. Something really stupid like not sending troops in to protect them becasue the liberals would scream, "he is starting another war". Lets just take every world problem, and blame the CIA because it sounds like a good story, and who can disprove a wild theory like that. What the heck they blamed the WTC on the USA, and even blamed the USA for Sadaam using nerve gas on his own people.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:58 am

Greeney.....I love you guys...really do..love and appreciate the site, but you're in denial here on this one, not to mention swimming in very very deep water.

John has sourced false sources here, not his fault....he's been mislead, maybe his emotions or political beliefs are getting in his way. I don't know and as I say, I'm only interested in the real truth, just as you should be.

HERE: Just so happens Duff has a new piece out today.....Yeah it's way way out there to those you haven't been keeping up, but all can be verified if YOU'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT.

It makes it crystal clear that the thing in Benghazi was a Military action----and for it to have succeeded it had to have asset's within the US STATE DEPT INVOLVED.

It is, not only sad to say, but flat out scary to me. This was a set up to make Obama look bad for personal and political gain. Someone working for the Republican party, and the current candidate, KNOWS as do YES GREENEY Fellow Dems.........This is a huge deal and my concern is the truth and only the truth.

It's depressing that some choose to make light of it as being nothing more than stupidity, or arrogance, or incompetence............None of which are he case.

There is an obvious CANCER within this Government........the evidence is beyond the reason of most who simply REFUSE TO ACCEPT IT. It's treason GREENEY.....Don't you agree?

Do yourself a favor and read this piece word for word...........then if you think this guy is full of baloney.............leave him a note, tell him so..........hell call the FBI and have his site shut down.....I mean if you feel so strongly surely, over the years you've met people....HELL MY FRIEND EVEN LIL OL ME KNOWS PEOPLE........Even a ghost or two who r still active.... I was on the phone this am with local LE...So what.........no big deal....they are here to SERVE YOU, not the other way around.

HERE:

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Cadets listen as US Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney (C) delivers a foreign policy speech at the Virginia Military Institute in Lexington, Virginia, on October 8, 2012.


By Gordon Duff and Press TV


The Obama administration has had American military, both on domestic and foreign bases on high alert since October 1. However, there has been no known terrorist enemy threatening the US. The enemy is called “domestic” but its origins are far from American.

Today, Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette was “fired” from his command of one of the three carrier battle groups back to Bremerton, Washington to face an investigation.

It is impossible to adequately state how unusual this is and how serious.

The Navy was clear that the charges had nothing to do with his personal conduct, no rape or sexual misconduct, no stolen money, no drug use, the things that usually bring down careers in the Navy, that and crashing ships into each other.

Gaouette was sent back because the Secretary of Defense found him unfit for command, sent him across the world in the middle of one of the largest combat exercises in history, one both timed prior to an election and one at a critical location, near the Straits of Hormuz in the Persian
Gulf.

Gaouette commanded nearly one third of the Naval and air combat forces in the region.

The decision was made based on a conversation with the Secretary of Defense who, at the end of the talk, believed Gaouette was part of a group of military officers who have been under suspicion for planning a “Seven Days in May” type overthrow of the US government if President Obama is re-elected.

This is not conjecture, dozens of key officers face firing, hundreds are under investigation, all with direct ties to extremist elements in the Republican Party and the Israeli lobby.

Reports received are sourced at the highest levels of the Pentagon and indicate that the administration has been aware of these plans for months.



“His real intent is to occupy Iraq and attack Iran. In the process, America intends on “neutralizing” the nuclear capability of Pakistan.
This is the plan, it is known, not just in the Department of Defense, but by all intelligence agencies, the plotters have all been recognized, are all under surveillance and they have not been very careful.”



The Obama administration has had American military, both on domestic and foreign bases on high alert since October 1. However, there has been no known terrorist enemy threatening the US. The enemy is called “domestic” but its origins are far from American.

Today, Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette was “fired” from his command of one of the three carrier battle groups back to Bremerton, Washington to face an investigation.

It is impossible to adequately state how unusual this is and how serious.

The Navy was clear that the charges had nothing to do with his personal conduct, no rape or sexual misconduct, no stolen money, no drug use, the things that usually bring down careers in the Navy, that and crashing ships into each other.

Gaouette was sent back because the Secretary of Defense found him unfit for command, sent him across the world in the middle of one of the largest combat exercises in history, one both timed prior to an election and one at a critical location, near the Straits of Hormuz in the Persian
Gulf.

Gaouette commanded nearly one third of the Naval and air combat forces in the region.

The decision was made based on a conversation with the Secretary of Defense who, at the end of the talk, believed Gaouette was part of a group of military officers who have been under suspicion for planning a “Seven Days in May” type overthrow of the US government if President Obama is re-elected.

This is not conjecture, dozens of key officers face firing, hundreds are under investigation, all with direct ties to extremist elements in the Republican Party and the Israeli lobby.

Reports received are sourced at the highest levels of the Pentagon and indicate that the administration has been aware of these plans for months.

It is not just the Obama administration. This happened before.

The Air Force moved against the Bush administration in 2007 when it loaded up to nine nuclear weapons on a B 52 aircraft at Minot Air Force Base. We know now that up to three of those nuclear weapons are listed as “missing,” the military expression for this is “Broken Arrow.”


unbiased----not just Obama..

Continue reading .

From Veterans Today:

Minot-Barksdale, The forgotten mutiny

In August 2007, at least six nuclear warheads were stolen from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota. The moment they were loaded, they disappeared from America’s nuclear inventory, “location unknown,” something that is not supposed to happen. There is no possible “misinterpretation” of orders, no mistake, no “wrong label” issue. These weapons were stolen, pure and simple. Discussions of individual commanders having authority to deploy weapons, stories of accidents, confusion or political alignments within the Air Force are “red herrings.”

Nothing is more controlled, more secure, more restricted, more classified, more protected than the nuclear arsenal of the United States. However, on that fateful day in 2007, a half dozen or more, hydrogen bombs, were plucked out of a secure bunker with no paperwork, no orders, nothing.
This is the military. People are jailed for losing flashlight batteries.

They were loaded into the weapons bay of a B-52 long-range bomber for transport to places unknown, for purposes unknown. The plane had no orders, was part of no mission, operated under no legal command structure, in fact, the moment the weapons were loaded, was no longer an American plane at all. A mission, even under the most innocent possible circumstances, that would have required the knowledge of the President and his staff, certainly the Joint Chiefs of Staff and likely the National Security Council as well, seem to have authorized itself, out of “thin air.”

Though the plane later landed at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, there is no evidence supporting this as the intended destination, far from it.The theft, hijacking, you pick the term, these are the best two so far, happened outside the command authority of the United States government, contravening all protocols for the storage, handling and deployment of nuclear weapons. The incident was also a violation of treaties requiring America to safeguard her stockpile of nuclear weapons, not just from environmental disasters but also, as with this incident, from a mutiny by members of the military and civilian branches of our government, acting outside authority, acting as civilians, an act of piracy, mutiny, an act of insurrection.


Remember that incident..." I SURE DO "

Today’s “relief of command” is a response to a similar threat.

The “Barksdale Nukes” were believed to be heading to Diego Garcia for use against Iran as part of a false flag war, one started by a naval admiral who was tasked by an extra-governmental agenda to start a war.

This was the Air Force part of a joint operation that is said to have involved 5th Fleet commander, Admiral Cosgriff who as reported to the Secretary of State by Gwyneth Todd, then Chief Political Advisor to the fleet. Todd, who has recently retold her story to the Washington Post and other media outlets, received a death threat this morning after a stalking incident against her by an FBI agent stationed at the US embassy in Canberra, Australia.

Similarly, top defense consultant John Wheeler III, who knew of these issues quite well was mysteriously murdered and his body found in a garbage heap in Delaware in late 2010. No suspects have been arrested; no real investigation has ever been made.

That was then.

Today, key members of the military more loyal to Israel and Wall Street than the United States are said to be planning a mutiny to take place after the presidential election.

Their task, upon seizing power, is to facilitate a massive terror attack inside the United States, possibly using a stolen nuclear weapon, declare martial law, move troops into Iraq and to attack Iran with aid from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

Turkey is to attack Syria with aid from Israel and civil war between the Kurdish regional government and the national government in Baghdad is to begin with the US brokering a peace and re-establishing what “newly appointed President Romney” would describe as the “Status of Forces Agreement” he mentioned during the debates.His real intent is to occupy Iraq and attack Iran. In the process, America intends on “neutralizing” the nuclear capability of Pakistan.
This is the plan, it is known, not just in the Department of Defense, but by all intelligence agencies, the plotters have all been recognized, are all under surveillance and they have not been very careful.

All information here has more than one official source.


NOW 1 MORE TIME......All can be verified today if you're willing to search it out and READ IT......

Step one, Benghazi

Those involved in the plot, those outside the military, are those who are spreading “conspiracy theory” rumors about US complicity or malfeasance in the handling of the murder of the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stephens.

Today, CIA Director, General Petraeus clearly stated that the CIA had received no requests for help. A month ago, the State Department also made it clear, the attack was military, well coordinated and that no forces were available capable of making a difference.

In fact, the “conspiracy theorists,” those attempting to use their wild theories in order to implement an “October Surprise” are directly aligned with those who planned and executed the attack.

This is one of the advantages of a “false flag” attack on an American diplomat by America’s own friends and allies, or those mistaken for being such, any attempt to characterize those known to be guilty, prior to an election, would be used to discredit anyone giving out actual accurate information.
This is the role of the controlled press in terror operations, providing “deception and cover.”

Thus, it was necessary to invent a non-existent “Al Qaeda cell” in Libya and to hunt down minor third party assets while the real killers, well trained special operations military from the Gulf States and “other nations” were able to escape and will remain unaccountable.

Security services of both Britain and France had reported the presence of a special operations team well in advance of 9/11 but the target was a mystery.

The Benghazi attack required incredible coordination. What debunks conspiracy theories is that even the most amateur attacks use radio frequency jammers. They are common even to the Taliban much less to groups this sophisticated, a force now said to number at least 120 with 50 or more being trained special operations forces.

This backs up General Petraeus’ statement that no messages were received.One incredible inconsistency in the “conspiracy media” came from Fox News. They reported that the US compound in Benghazi was relieved by a large force of friendly militia at 3am, a full hour before the lethal mortar attack is said, by Fox News, to have begun. Jennifer Griffin wrote this exclusive account for Fox News:

“They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began – a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the U.S., finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m.”

Fox was so busy gloating over their misdirection that they totally missed how thoroughly they discredited themselves. Nothing written in any of the recent versions remotely depicts eyewitness reports. They made the whole thing up.

All of those who report a “hodge-podge” of conflicting calls for help through jammed communications, reminiscent of the jamming during the attack on the USS Liberty, are now potential suspects in the planning and execution of the attack itself.

Additionally, there is little possibility the attack in Benghazi could have been carried out without the presence of foreign agents within the State Department and the well-timed distraction of the Terry Jones telethon financed and supported by the CATO Institute and Republican National Committee, of which I am, sadly, a longtime member.






The Obama administration has had American military, both on domestic and foreign bases on high alert since October 1. However, there has been no known terrorist enemy threatening the US. The enemy is called “domestic” but its origins are far from American.

Today, Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette was “fired” from his command of one of the three carrier battle groups back to Bremerton, Washington to face an investigation.

It is impossible to adequately state how unusual this is and how serious.

The Navy was clear that the charges had nothing to do with his personal conduct, no rape or sexual misconduct, no stolen money, no drug use, the things that usually bring down careers in the Navy, that and crashing ships into each other.

Gaouette was sent back because the Secretary of Defense found him unfit for command, sent him across the world in the middle of one of the largest combat exercises in history, one both timed prior to an election and one at a critical location, near the Straits of Hormuz in the Persian
Gulf.

Gaouette commanded nearly one third of the Naval and air combat forces in the region.

The decision was made based on a conversation with the Secretary of Defense who, at the end of the talk, believed Gaouette was part of a group of military officers who have been under suspicion for planning a “Seven Days in May” type overthrow of the US government if President Obama is re-elected.

This is not conjecture, dozens of key officers face firing, hundreds are under investigation, all with direct ties to extremist elements in the Republican Party and the Israeli lobby.

Reports received are sourced at the highest levels of the Pentagon and indicate that the administration has been aware of these plans for months.

It is not just the Obama administration. This happened before.

The Air Force moved against the Bush administration in 2007 when it loaded up to nine nuclear weapons on a B 52 aircraft at Minot Air Force Base. We know now that up to three of those nuclear weapons are listed as “missing,” the military expression for this is “Broken Arrow.”

From Veterans Today:

Minot-Barksdale, The forgotten mutiny

In August 2007, at least six nuclear warheads were stolen from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota. The moment they were loaded, they disappeared from America’s nuclear inventory, “location unknown,” something that is not supposed to happen. There is no possible “misinterpretation” of orders, no mistake, no “wrong label” issue. These weapons were stolen, pure and simple. Discussions of individual commanders having authority to deploy weapons, stories of accidents, confusion or political alignments within the Air Force are “red herrings.”

Nothing is more controlled, more secure, more restricted, more classified, more protected than the nuclear arsenal of the United States. However, on that fateful day in 2007, a half dozen or more, hydrogen bombs, were plucked out of a secure bunker with no paperwork, no orders, nothing.
This is the military. People are jailed for losing flashlight batteries.

They were loaded into the weapons bay of a B-52 long-range bomber for transport to places unknown, for purposes unknown. The plane had no orders, was part of no mission, operated under no legal command structure, in fact, the moment the weapons were loaded, was no longer an American plane at all. A mission, even under the most innocent possible circumstances, that would have required the knowledge of the President and his staff, certainly the Joint Chiefs of Staff and likely the National Security Council as well, seem to have authorized itself, out of “thin air.”

Though the plane later landed at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, there is no evidence supporting this as the intended destination, far from it.

The theft, hijacking, you pick the term, these are the best two so far, happened outside the command authority of the United States government, contravening all protocols for the storage, handling and deployment of nuclear weapons. The incident was also a violation of treaties requiring America to safeguard her stockpile of nuclear weapons, not just from environmental disasters but also, as with this incident, from a mutiny by members of the military and civilian branches of our government, acting outside authority, acting as civilians, an act of piracy, mutiny, an act of insurrection.

Today’s “relief of command” is a response to a similar threat.

The “Barksdale Nukes” were believed to be heading to Diego Garcia for use against Iran as part of a false flag war, one started by a naval admiral who was tasked by an extra-governmental agenda to start a war.

This was the Air Force part of a joint operation that is said to have involved 5th Fleet commander, Admiral Cosgriff who as reported to the Secretary of State by Gwyneth Todd, then Chief Political Advisor to the fleet. Todd, who has recently retold her story to the Washington Post and other media outlets, received a death threat this morning after a stalking incident against her by an FBI agent stationed at the US embassy in Canberra, Australia.

Similarly, top defense consultant John Wheeler III, who knew of these issues quite well was mysteriously murdered and his body found in a garbage heap in Delaware in late 2010. No suspects have been arrested; no real investigation has ever been made.

That was then.

Today, key members of the military more loyal to Israel and Wall Street than the United States are said to be planning a mutiny to take place after the presidential election.

Their task, upon seizing power, is to facilitate a massive terror attack inside the United States, possibly using a stolen nuclear weapon, declare martial law, move troops into Iraq and to attack Iran with aid from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

Turkey is to attack Syria with aid from Israel and civil war between the Kurdish regional government and the national government in Baghdad is to begin with the US brokering a peace and re-establishing what “newly appointed President Romney” would describe as the “Status of Forces Agreement” he mentioned during the debates.

His real intent is to occupy Iraq and attack Iran. In the process, America intends on “neutralizing” the nuclear capability of Pakistan.
This is the plan, it is known, not just in the Department of Defense, but by all intelligence agencies, the plotters have all been recognized, are all under surveillance and they have not been very careful.

All information here has more than one official source.





Israel rule

The planned overthrow and subsequent declaration of martial law is a massively financed operation with billions of dollars available. The primary impetus for this action is a belief by members of the “dispensationalist” pseudo-Christian heresy that pervades America’s military service academies that the United States should be subservient to the State of Israel.

Over the past three decades, religious extremists have taken over the Air Force Academy, Annapolis and West Point, teaching mandatory classes in obscure religious beliefs, hatred of Islam and stressing obedience to an “Apocalypse Cult” that stresses pre-emptive nuclear war in order to bring on the “end times” and destroy all life on earth.

Some find these beliefs inconsistent with oaths sworn by all members of the military:

“I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)”
Oaths, so easy to take, so convenient to break, and so it goes…


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/31 ... ple-obama/

Now Greeney do I believe EVERYTHING within this article? answer.....NO....Why...simple....it's written by an intel ( active ) intel agency rep.....This means it has some suspect info in it for various reason.........ask him why that may be, maybe a personal security issue I DO NOT KNOW...However I do know enough about intelligence and counter-intel to understand that the message is crystal clear.

What is being cast by the MSM is pure bullshit when it comes to what happened in Benghazi and there is mass evidence of what many have suspected for decades, this is the Israel ( Jew ) ownership, influence, and control of all major US Media outlets. And it doesn't stop there.

Now all I ask is for you to read the article and then search for the items mentioned that supposedly took place today...Should be a very simple task if you're really interested in the truth.

One question though. WHAT THE HELL DOES CUTTING AND PASTING HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE TRUTH?

I do not Know Duff personally but have read him for years..................He's consistent as hell and almost always right. Light years ahead of the average reporter on the ground. Just go back to his first report on Benghazi----compare it to what the MSM was reporting.....then look at how the MSM's story over time changed to reflect his initial intel/story..........only they had to fabricate to keep the meme alive and well.

I mean this is simple.

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Postby blackvault » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Naive? Yes, Cole, is that your only defense to put people down because they have a differing opinion? I see that a lot these days - kind of sad.

I'll be honest, copy and pasting articles from Duff doesn't help your case. Duff has his editorialized spin just like anyone else. His "facts" and conjecture is based on his opinion, and guess. Like many editorials... and *thumbs up* to him for his effort.

But Benghazi is simple to understand, Cole. Just because you don't get it, or don't want to understand it - doesn't mean Obama is not actively engaging in a massive cover-up. The blood of these 4 COULD be on his hands (we don't know enough) and as each day passes, more is learned that show Obama's incompetence led to this... and in my best guess... will lead to more just like it.

You want to tell me the U.S. military couldn't have fought back against 120 trained fighters? Come on.. that's something I'm shocked you'd even write. The way you wrote it, was that we'd be "afraid" and had to just "let them get the ambassador." Please, correct me if I'm wrong, and don't do so by copy and pasting 1,000 more pages. I am just asking for clarification.

That said, no matter what I, or anyone else, puts in front of you, if Duff didn't say it, it must not be true, right? In addition, you copy and paste 1,000 pages of stuff, then end it by saying I don't believe everything above. Well... then why post it? How are we supposed to sift through that as "proof" of whatever it is you are trying to say... and yet... even you don't believe it all.

I'm really confused on that logic.

Oh, and for the record, I am not biased. I am an investigator who is attached to this story because to me, after 16 years of investigating almost every conspiracy theory and cover-up (alleged and real)... I can tell you Benghazi has every sign and then some of a massive cover-up and conspiracy to withhold the truth from the public. Plain and simple. That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it. And mark my words - it may take a week, month, year, or 30 years... but this will go down as a huge conspiracy that will plague Obama's one-term "legacy." Whatever that ends up to be.
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Postby En-Lugal » Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:25 am

The Smoking Gun of the Benghazi Cover-up

Pat Buchanan's column is released twice a week.
By Pat Buchanan | Pat Buchanan – 6 hrs ago

On June 6 of this year, a bomb planted at the U.S. compound in Benghazi ripped a 12-foot-wide hole in the outer wall.

On June 11, the British ambassador's motorcade was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, wounding a medic and doctor. The next day, the ambassador was gone and the British Benghazi post was closed.

At the same time, the Red Cross, after a second attack, shut down and fled the city.

"When that occurred," says Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, who headed the military security team in Tripoli, "we were the last flag flying in Benghazi; we were the last thing on their target list to remove."

On Aug. 15, at the U.S. compound in Benghazi, an emergency meeting was convened to discuss the 10 Islamist militias and their training camps in the area, among them al-Qaida and Ansar al-Sharia.

On Aug. 16, a cable went to the State Department describing the imminent danger, saying the compound could not defend itself against a "coordinated attack."

The cable was sent to Hillary Clinton — and signed by Ambassador Chris Stevens.

On Sept. 11, Ambassador Stevens died in a coordinated attack on the Benghazi compound by elements of Ansar al-Sharia and al-Qaida.

Catherine Herridge of Fox News, who unearthed the Aug. 16 cable, calls it the "smoking gun."

Yet, on Oct. 11, Joe Biden, during the vice presidential debate, asserted, "We weren't told they wanted more security there."

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:37 am

aive? Yes, Cole, is that your only defense to put people down because they have a differing opinion? I see that a lot these days - kind of sad.

I'll be honest, copy and pasting articles from Duff doesn't help your case. Duff has his editorialized spin just like anyone else. His "facts" and conjecture is based on his opinion, and guess. Like many editorials... and *thumbs up* to him for his effort.


My only defense...where you get off with that crap....yeah it is kind of sad isn't it. What's there to defend anyway...? You're accusing someone of having an opinion who does this for a living, is in contact and in the field....maybe you're simply in denial, or for arguments sake, simply didn't feel it necessary to read the article in full.

My case..John this isn't my case, it's everybody's case, at least those interested in the actual truth as opposed to blatant lies.

You're calling this an Obama cover-up-----yet you're conveniently refusing to look at the evidence, aside from what the MSM has told....John all of that is beyond suspect, and it's in shambles.

Yes there is a piece in my local rag today......it states that NO ONE denied anyone helping, no stand down order ever given...None

As a seasoned investigator can I assume that you understand that all comms were jammed? Any message sent or received was/were garbled beyond recognition....That was the intent and has been conveyed to everyone and anyone who has the inclination to grasp and understand what was real time on the ground.

You see the MSM conveniently leaves certain key facts out of there spin....Take the drones---I'm sure you know full well that other than an eye in the sky they were useless because they were unarmed.

As for coming on in reagrd to the 120-150 trained men on the ground and are Military being afraid, couldn't take em on, whatever......How were they going to be notified? Where were they ACTUALLY LOCATED? What weapons did they have available ? What were/was their respective ETA's?

Now I'm sure you've already answered these questions, so where are they, let's see them.


Another thing....The piece I posted has been cut and pasted on too many web sites to mention.....EVERYONE of them is using it " OUT OF CONTEXT " in an effort to make it look like those relieved of command were relived because they DEFIED Obama'S ORDERS and actually wanted to help those pinned down......THIS IS A FLAT OUT LIE....

Thinking a sitting President would allow an ambassador to die while just sitting on his hands is asinine and deserved no further comment as it is an outright treasonous line of thought. Covering that up would be an f,ing criminal act....are you even thinking straight in this regard?

So I'm interested to know....as I've asked before:

What has Obama to gain by covering this abortion up? Think about it.

As for my personal opinion-----It's my belief that despite your claim of non-biased reporting-investigating -ETC You are knee deep in being motivated my personal politics when it comes to this thread. I draw that conclusion by your rally to have it distributed far and wide in and effort ( as you said ) Please help me.

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Postby blackvault » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:18 am

I would've said the exact same thing about helping me, even if Obama had a second term. This is not political, you make it political because it's a political season. Regardless of when this would happen, I'd feel the same way.

That said, you focus in on calls from the embassy being jammed. Yet, I never said it was the embassy that called. If I understand the timeline correctly, the call to help the embassy came from the CIA annex nearby... that wasn't attacked until later in the evening. I've never seen reports where the CIA Annex had their comms jammed. Further, do you really think a bunch of terrorist idiots in Libya had the means and know how to JAM a CIA annex's comms? Come on... they fight with archaic weapons, and practically live in the dark ages, and you are going to tell me this coordinated attack took down some of our most sophisticated equipment?

Here is where I am confused. Are you saying this was terrorism? Or a group attack on a whim? I'm honestly asking - because I can't tell where you stand.

It just seems that by your writings here, no matter which way you believe this story to be true, your logic is completely off base, and you are ignoring some of the key pieces to this cover-up. You also claim the drones in the air were unarmed. First, since you admitted they were in the air, safe to say they had video of the attack, right? Well, let's just assume "all comms were jammed" like you claim. They didn't need comms to see what the drones saw - and the embassy was under attack. Your logic fell apart for me there, too.

But, you are also assuming they were unarmed. You think anyone, even in a "big bad government think tank" knows where are drones are, and if they are weapons capable? How many drone strikes have we heard about, and why wouldn't they have armed drones in or around this area? Your logic fell apart for me here, as well.

And lastly, documented evidence suggests that within a month prior to the attack, those in Benghazi said they could NOT defend their compound against an attack. With the state of Libya, its political climate, it's documented increase in Al Qaeda and terrorism, you'd think they would've acted SOMEHOW on 9/11 to increase security.

Do I think Obama sat in a situation room sitting on his hands, watching them die? God, I hope not. But with as many lies being thrown around by his administration - maybe that is what happened. My point, is we simply don't know due to the stonewalling. You can ignore everything above... but my points remain untouched by your logic.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:28 am

That said, you focus in on calls from the embassy being jammed. Yet, I never said it was the embassy that called. If I understand the timeline correctly, the call to help the embassy came from the CIA annex nearby... that wasn't attacked until later in the evening. I've never seen reports where the CIA Annex had their comms jammed. Further, do you really think a bunch of terrorist idiots in Libya had the means and know how to JAM a CIA annex's comms? Come on... they fight with archaic weapons, and practically live in the dark ages, and you are going to tell me this coordinated attack took down some of our most sophisticated equipment?


What I've quoted above proves--leaves NO DOUBT that you do not read in full what I post. I can fix that if you wish.

However---these were not as you say John...These were very highly trained personnel. personnel that our own people trained in the UAE...." THEY WERE SEEN AT THE AIRPORT UPON ARRIVAL " documented....on tape....some have photos, but ALL know who they are.

Now does or did this play into the debacle? I do not know as I am over here, not over there.

All of their weapons were ( well surely you know that as well ) manufactured by the usual arms co's---

Anyway-----yes they had and used the capability that jammed radio transmissions. I posted all about that but it must have been overlooked in all the excitement.

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Postby blackvault » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:30 am

I see you ignored my references to the drones.

Did I read your material? Yes... did I believe it? No. And according to you, neither do you. So what is your point?

Also, I asked pointed questions on your stance, and you still reference copy and pasted articles, and how I didn't read. So, are you saying you get your thoughts from written editorials, or...? I honestly have no idea where you stand.
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Postby En-Lugal » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:06 pm

Let's see if I can clarify a bit, John. First Cole was spewing some conspiracy rhetoric about Mitt Romney being in on it and having direct knowledge. His "smoking gun" was the fact that Romney held a press conference a bit over two minutes after Hillary Clinton. He tells it so much better, or nuttier, whichever you prefer. Then when I rightly pointed out that Romney had a press core with him on the campaign trail, he switched his story to it being Romney's handlers being directly involved.

You see, they really control the government and had the CIA withhold intel. This bad intel was then relayed to the American people, unbeknownst to Obama and Clinton. Romney's handlers coordinated the attack with terrorist boots on the ground. They did all of this to make the Obama Administration look bad. Throw in some slanders about Republicans being traitors, terrorists, Anti-American and I think that about sums it up.

Like you, I honestly have no idea what his true stance is on the issue as he keeps redirecting me back to the copy/pasted info and telling me to "read between the lines". The above is what little I could garner of his view in his, very few, own words. I've since set him to ignore, as well as rath and joker, as I no longer have the patience to try and reason with someone who is a troll or willfully ignorant. I've learned that the few times they showed a sense of reasoning was nothing more than a trap. A desperate attempt to reel me in, and prolong the argument, for another round of senseless link spamming and telling me to read it again.

Oh and here's the latest story, they're calling it a timeline, from the CIA.

New Benghazi Account Bolsters CIA
By Martha Raddatz | ABC News – Thu, Nov 1, 2012

Intelligence officials have disclosed a new detailed timeline of the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, acknowledging the CIA played a greater role in responding to the attack than has previously been disclosed. A senior U.S. intelligence official also insisted that the CIA security team that initially responded to the attack was not given orders "to stand down in providing support," as had been suggested in media reports.

The timeline provided by a senior U.S. intelligence official gives the first precise account of how CIA security teams provided the first response to the Sept. 11 attack on the diplomatic mission in Benghazi, which killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.


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Postby Cole_Trickle » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:07 am

Sir......Are you saying that I'm unable to detect a shill. :lol: :lol: :lol: Anyway. The piece you posted was penned..." WORD FOR WORD " as nearly as one can without being called on the carpet.. BACK ON 9 October by someone with ABC. I can post if if you wish.

My stance/position is simple....I don't believe there was ever a cover up.. That came directly from the right and it came after the fact once they had time to craft a BS story and attempt to tie it to Obama as being " whatever " incompetent...slow on the draw...out of the loop...scared hiding under his desk...yada yada yada.

The movie which was blamed for the demonstrations wasn't a movie at all, only a trailer which was " VERY HIGHLY PRODUCED BOTH IN QUALITY AND LOGISTICS " This is the actual smoking gun because it took resources beyond those CLAIMING to be responsible.

Many within the intelligence community claim and state that it was a CIA developed effort to provide cover for the hit on ambassador Stevens.

Now as John said/claimed...these rioters/terrorists are supposed to be using " sling-shots " " throwing rocks " .....on what was his word..archaic ..anyway this is a contradiction because they actually had current weaponry....complete with satt and gps capability..as reported by the ghost like CIA assets on the ground during the attack.

As I repeat myself, bit of a pain in the ass, all of this was initially reported by the staff at VeteransToday.com.....and ONLY NOW is this coming to light....If you're actually interested in the real truth you might ask yourself why.

The Drones.....what drones...those that were unarmed. WTF were they going to be used for aside from taking photos. anyway.

What would anyone have to gain from covering up anything related to this event, especially a sitting US President? Now I can see the busk stopping at a certain level once the right questions are asked as to how this happened, but so far they managed to avoid such.

As for support or calling in help.... How were they going to do it? Where was it going to come from? Before you answer you might care to check the location of US assets on that night, how far away ETA's ETC.

Now could Obama be falling on the sword for those who actually placed him in position to become President? Far beyond anything I'd even consider because at the end of the day he's commander and chief.

Yes this news was canned and the Right was sitting on it and " according to " those active in the intelligence business.......were ready with a response in advance. Not coming from me, that is coming from them, so take it up with them.

As for the two who were relieved of duty...........they were thousands of miles away at the time of the attack and only heard of it " JUST LIKE YOU/WE DID " So anyone saying that they were relieved because they disobeyed a " stand down order " is either a LIAR--A SHILL- AN APOLOGIST-OR SIMPLY DUMB AS DIRT.

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