at1with0 wrote:If you believe in a God and the flood, then not only did God allow genocide to happen, God caused the genocide.
If you believe in a God but not the flood, then, yes, mankind perpetrates genocide and God allows it to happen.
Your point seems to be that mankind, rather than God, perpetrated genocide (in the form of democide). Yes, I would agree that mankind perpetrates genocide. My point is that whatever God you believe in allows it to happen. Many will nod their head with that and say they'd rather have free will than no genocide/democide allowed.
My apologies for the delay in getting back to this thread as my schedule has been hectic of late.
I am reading your post with a bit of astonishment at the assumption made as a starting point.
The nature of God is that He is sovereign and we are subject.
You are using a starting position that God is subject and men are sovereign and passing judgement on God.
The same defilement and ruination of the land which happened at the time of Noah...is returning again today with "Enlightened " men attempting to follow the same pattern as the "Enlightened" men of the time of Noah.
What is also known by those with any grasp at all of history is that as soon as the flood was over and the earth began to repopulate...men once again attempted to defile themselves and their generations...even human sacrifice...particularly the young...unsoiled...pure..without blemish. This knowledge and "Enlightenment" is carefully hidden from most peoples by "Public Education" non standards but you can find it with a bit of digging...and it is even in the Word for those who know what they are reading.
Man in his "Enlightenment" by reason, by logic , by Entitlement. would have God as subject and men as sovereign. By man's will..by free will.
You also make an assumption that we deserve good things....that we are good people and therefore deserve and are entitled to good things...therefore we hold God accountable ..by our reason, by our logic ..by our free will..by our Enlightenment by our Entitlement.
I don't believe in free will...I believe in Sovereign Grace.
The history of men reads that men left to their own devices will defile themselves very quickly in their quest for power over other men. They will hide what they are doing in haughty speeches and also re writing what the Word states...re teaching what the Word says and replacing it with the traditions of men.
Men by their very logic and reason ...will try to pass judgement on God while totally avoiding and hiding/concealing what they do and have done on their own merits and demerits. They by logic and reason...put the onus on God for everything their mind can imagine..while concealing and never revealing the track record of men's logic and reason...men's history.
Putting the onus off on a Sovereign God is very similar to what our leaders are doing today with a very complicit media to cover for them. So that people do not think for themselves..but emote according to a program...
It must be Bush's fault...four years later....on all counts. It is the blame game or tradition of intelligent/enlightened men rather than take responsibility.
When you see enough of this kind of thing...you began to see a pattern here.I think ..therefore I am...
I don't think so...more like..I am therefore I can think.
A 180 degree difference in the starting point.
The starting point and assumptions made from there make all the difference in where you go and what happens when you get there.
I do not pass judgement on God because I believe in a Sovereign God..not a subject God....that is not my business..passing judgement on God.
But I can pass judgement on the wisdom/traditions of men...and men's history and find most of it to be wanting.
Hope this helps and clarifies,