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Problem is every one of those was done by the UK, while Australians did things like KP duty, changing tires on the jeeps, etc.

Here you go rath. Your own Aussie brothers admitting in a long discussion that Australia's ass was saved by the US. Its nice to know there are intelligent Australians out there and they are not all like you.
Only those like you who sit around in drug induced comas think otherwise.
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-ge ... 10328.html

But in all fairness, Australia wasn't really "saved" by the US. But it was in the USAs best interest to not let Japan gain access to Australia's natural resources, which we certainly did help do. So, in other words, we saved your ass.

The best part is, I love Australia. I have colleagues out there and they are salt of the earth. A far far cry from who you seem to be. I love Britain' I love Canada, and I love the USA too. But guess what, there are loads of idiots in the USA. Likewise there are loads of dim witts in Australia too. Your proof of that.
Unlike you' most intelligent people don't sit around and pretend like like their county is perfect and bash others.

capricorn wrote:But guess what, there are loads of idiots in the USA. Likewise there are loads of dim witts in Australia too. Your proof of that.

In actual trades however, The going price of Australian dim witts, is 3 dim witts to get one American idiot. They have devalued the going price of dim witts so bad, their foriegn trade economy is failing. idiots out preform dim witts hands down as an investment.

capricorn wrote:Here you go rath. Your own Aussie brothers admitting in a long discussion that Australia's ass was saved by the US. Its nice to know there are intelligent Australians out there and they are not all like you.
Only those like you who sit around in drug induced comas think otherwise.
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-ge ... 10328.html

Dont see where it sez the usa saved Australia ... & it's not even an Australian web sit or address.
( it looks American )

capricorn wrote:But in all fairness, Australia wasn't really "saved" by the US. But it was in the USAs best interest to not let Japan gain access to Australia's natural resources, which we certainly did help do. So, in other words, we saved your ass.

Save Australia .... Don't you mean retreated to the protection of Australia After the USA got it's butt kicked & surrendered in the Philippines & then retreated to Australia.

I like your spin but sorry no dice.

greeney2 wrote:Problem is every one of those was done by the UK, while Australians did things like KP duty, changing tires on the jeeps, etc.

Oh Don't get me started on how Australia reinforcements saved England's arse ..... from one end of the war to the other.

battle of Brittan ..... Singapore ...... Italy ..... France .... ect ect.


& don't forget how Australian prime Minister Robert Menzies, was forced to push Winston Churchill aside & fix Winston Churchill mistakes & incompetence.

Australian prime Minister Robert Menzies, at the request of the English & the Queen would replace Winston Churchill in the war Cabinet as leader of all allied forces.

& Robert Menzies was even pushed to replace Winston Churchill as prime minister of Britain.
( at the Queen & British parliaments request )



Boy American schools really are second rate aren't they .... ( Americans have no understanding of of history at all )

American schools really have failed to teach American's anything at all.

On 3 September 1939, Prime Minister Robert Gordon Menzies announced that Australia was at war with Germany

Australia at War
Australia had a dilemma at the start of World War Two. When Britain declared war on Nazi Germany in September 1939, Australia had to decide whether to use her military to support Britain in the European sphere of war or to keep her forces in the Far East in view of the worsening situation there with regards to Japanese expansion. Any movement of Australian troops to Britain (or to places such as Egypt) would weaken the strength of Australia’s military at home. Any serious Allied military defeat would also impact on the Australian military, which might be part of this defeat. The Australian government decided that any major Axis victory in Europe against the British would almost certainly be decisive and change the course of the war – therefore, the government decided that it would commit all its forces against the danger Germany posed in Europe. Britain requested military assistance from Australia within a week of declaring war on Germany.

When Douglas MacArthur arrived in Darwin after his surrender & escape from the Philippines, 38,000 American troops retreated to Australia. By mid-1942, Australia was in a much better position to defend itself against the Japanese onslaught. There were 38,000 American troops in Australia, the Australian Imperial Force numbered 104,000 as the 6th and 7th Divisions had returned from the Middle East, and there were 265,000 men in the militia. All forces were placed under the command of Australian General Blamey.


& yes ....... we fixed your jeeps aswell.

Libya and the Siege of Tobruk 1941

In 1941, Australians fought in land and air campaigns in Egypt and Libya in North Africa. Three AIF divisions - the 6th, 7th and 9th - fought in those countries. Royal Australian Navy (RAN) ships served in the eastern Mediterranean and in particular provided support to ground forces during the 'Siege of Tobruk' (April-December 1941). Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) squadrons, as well as RAAF personnel serving with Royal Air Force units, provided air support against the Germans and Italians.


March 1941, Allied troops rushing through the streets of Bardia in Libya in search of any remaining enemy troops.
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In January 1941, Australians fought their first major land battle in World War II when men of the 6th Division AIF, and other Allied troops, engaged Italian forces at the town of Bardia on the coast of Libya. On 3-5 January 1941, the Italian positions were attacked and Bardia was captured. Over 40,000 Italian prisoners were taken.

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Advancing west along the Libyan coast, the 6th Australian Division captured Tobruk from the Italians on 21-22 January 1941 and the town became a garrison for the Australian and British forces. In early March, one of Hitler's best generals, Erwin Rommel with his Afrika Korps, came to the aid of their Italian allies in Libya. By April, German forces had begun to cut off and surround Tobruk. For eight months, from April to December 1941,Tobruk was besieged and Australian forces, notably the men of the 9th Division, the 18th Brigade of the 7th Division and RAN ships of the famous 'scrap iron flotilla' played a prominent role in the town's defence.



Australians saw action in Libya and Egypt, 1940-1942.

The year 1941 was a dark one for the Allies. The Germans conquered all before them but Tobruk held out against Rommel and stood in the way of his advance towards Egypt and the Suez Canal. Those who served there became known as the 'Rats of Tobruk', so-called because the German radio propaganda broadcaster 'Lord Haw Haw' described them as rats living in the ground.

Syria and Lebanon June 1941

After the surrender of France in June 1940, the French colonies of Lebanon and Syria passed into the control of the pro-German Vichy French government. The British saw these colonies as a threat to their interests in the Middle East and as possible areas from which the Germans might attack Egypt and threaten oil supplies from Iraq. On 7-8 June 1941, Australians of the 7th Division, along with British and Free French forces, striking north from Palestine, invaded Syria and Lebanon. The operation was supported by RAAF and RAF units and by British and Australian warships off the coast of Lebanon.

the Australian government started to re-focus on Australia itself. Many politicians rightly believed that the Axis victory in Europe would stimulate further Japanese aggression in the Far East and that Australia itself might be threatened. With so many of its army abroad, many felt that this would also stimulate Japanese aggression. A joint-approach was made to America by Britain and Australia for the US to send a fleet to the British naval base at Singapore. It was hoped that such a gesture would make it clear to the Japanese that any action by them would be met with an aggressive reaction. No such naval force was sent to Singapore.

Another idea to stop Japanese aggression was to greatly increase the military power the Australians had in Malaya. This would require troops from the 6th Division to be removed from the Middle East and sent to the Far East. However, at this time, Italy was expanding aggressively in the Mediterranean region and all the men from the 6th Division were needed where they were based. In August 1940, the Australian government received an assurance from Winston Churchill that any threat to Australia or New Zealand would result in the Mediterranean Fleet being sent to the Far East immediately.

The declining situation in the Far East led to a meeting in October 1940 of military representatives from Australia, Burma, India and New Zealand. They met in Singapore. They all agreed that the defence of Malaya was vital if any Japanese aggression was to be halted. The Australians wanted the Indian Army to take the responsibility for defending Malaya while the Australians would provide a naval force for the region. It became obvious to many that Singapore had the potential to be an Achilles heel for the Allies. It would be an obvious target for the Japanese but its power had been built around the navy and not land and air defences. In late 1940, its vulnerability to a land attack was a major fear for many, even if few thought that the Japanese could come down the Malayan Peninsula. In December 1940, an Australian brigade was sent to Malaya. The plan was that an Indian brigade should replace it in May 1941.

The Australian 6th Division saw action in the deserts of North Africa from December 1940 on. They also fought in the Greek campaign and their stand at Thermopylae allowed a relatively successful Allied evacuation to take place. The Australian 7th Division successfully occupied Vichy Syria.

“Thus Australia’s expeditionary force to the Middle East had been of incalculable value in saving the Middle East from Axis domination during the first six months of 1941.


Throughout March 1941 Australian intelligence intercepted cables sent by the Japanese government to Japanese firms based in Australia. These recommended that as many personnel as possible should be sent back to Japan. These cables convinced many in the Australian government that an attack in the Far East was imminent. There was a general concern that too much of Australia’s military was based too far away to defend Australia. Clashes also occurred with senior British commanders in Singapore. Air Chief Marshall Sir Robert Brooke-Popham, c-in-c in the Far East, claimed that talk of Singapore’s downfall was “defeatist”. Even Churchill referred to Singapore as a fortress – much to the concern of military figures in Australia who held the opposite viewpoint. To complicate matters more, America stated that though the loss of Singapore would be unfortunate, it would not be a vital loss.

It was in 1941, that relations between Canberra and London became strained. In particular, the Prime Minister, Robert Menzies, believed that Churchill was fully focused on Europe and not what was happening in the Far East. On June 10th, 1941, Menzies reported to his government after meeting with Churchill:

"Mr. Churchill had no conception of the British Dominions as separate entities and the more distant the problem from the heart of the Empire the less he thought about it."

capricorn wrote:Buddy, you've got issues. You may want to lay off the drugs.

You can call me all the names you want son ....

But you cant re-right history.

Ours .... or yours.

& lets be to the point .... knowbody ... least of all me, is going to take your uneducated point of view on world, & war history.

You can insult me all you like .... But you have zero ability to change history. & i doubt your opinion,
( regardless of how bias you are ) will convince the whole world & the entire academic community to change the history books, to take into consideration your misguided, patriotic understanding of US involvement in world war one & world war two.


But by all means ...... if you really think' you can convince the worlds academics & historians & museums, that your right & they are all wrong.

Then go right ahead ... start writing your letters, & sending your e-mails.

I can call u all the names I want because they are all true. But the best one to sum you up is pathetic. Your an embarrassment to Australia. Your interpretation of history is skewed and is obviously indicative of a drug user. Lay off them for a while, then come back and study history with a sober mind. You will then see the clear truth.

I'm done responding to this topic. You can have the last word. Make sure its a good one! Or twenty... But before you do, just know this. Next time you open a topic simply degrading the USA, remember that... nobody in this forum cares. You just are adding to the mindless clutter that exists on the internet that holds no value. You may instead want to join something like a Neo Nazi Skinhead forum. I'm sure you will find a lot of people supporting your point of view about the USA as well as your distorted view of history.

Later!

Oh ps.... I lost, you totally won. Great job!