Jaack wrote:We in the west are told by alleged westerners that we are to blame we need to be tolerant etc... These same people fall all over themselves to let the enemy have comfort and then find solace in damning and attempting to shame their good fellow countrymen. The alleged westerners who have got us into thins all deserve to move to islami land.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/muslim-m ... -bixy.html
Muslim migrants riot in Athens
* May 24, 2009
Dozens of cars have been smashed, 14 people injured and 46 arrested in riots by Muslim migrants over the alleged defacing of a Koran by a policeman.
Police fired tear gas and stun grenades at hundreds of protesters outside Parliament in the city centre.
Police said they would investigate the allegation that an officer tore up an Iraqi migrant's Koran while checking his identity papers in Athens last week. "But this isolated incident cannot justify these acts of violence," said Interior Minister Christos Markoyiannakis.
Waves of illegal immigration in recent years have led to an influx of Muslims, mostly from Pakistan and Afghanistan, living in run-down parts of central Athens. Greek rights activist Thanassis Kourkoulas said the protest showed the migrants "have a voice".
Percival wrote:I think perhaps we westerners set ourselves up on a pedestal for championing liberty, democracy and human rights.
When others then come along and challenge our sensibilities its all to easy to then loose sight of those ideals and slip off that pedestal. How we react to situations like this is a true measure of society, not what is written in laws or constitutions.
I think those who protest or make themselves heard with violence have crossed a line and left themselves open to both punishment by law on the one hand, and the judgement of society on the other. As I say, society's reaction is key.
It reminds me of an incident in the UK recently where soldiers returning from Iraq paraded through Luton, and were harangued by a small group of muslims who labelled them butchers and terrorists. Quite rightly the protest was criticised for its miscued vitriol, but the police were also criticised for protecting the protestors from the reaction of some of the crowds at the parade. I have no doubt if the police had not done so, the protesters would have been torn apart by certain sections of the crowd. That's why I think tolerance is importance, its stops us falling off our pedestal.
If people start looking on it as a conflict, seeing those who act like these protesters as the 'enemy', then forget about any moral high ground because the playing field has just levelled out.
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