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Postby capricorn » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:12 pm

1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is 'African-American' when the term wasn't even used at that time?

2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 and lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right?
At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's
father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963 , two whole years after Obama's birth
and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did
not yet exist? Up until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the " British East Africa
Protectorate ".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_

3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed
place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological
Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in
question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's
Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978? _
http://www.k/ apiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx_

4. Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media? Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936—if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book—one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals—to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II, his father wouldn’t have been more than 9. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still qualifies as a “liar”)?
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Postby Wing-Zero » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:58 pm

Regarding point 1 - What certificate are you looking at? Because the one I'm seeing here http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/gra ... ngform.pdf doesn't have the words "African-American" on it at all.

Regarding point 2 - The East Africa Protectorate was established in 1920 by the British Empire, yes. However, it was also known as the Kenyan Colony henceforth until it gained its full independence in 1963. Most folks, as well as newspapers, simply called it Kenya long before it was established as a country. Snopes does a good job explaining it here - http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp

Regarding point 3 - http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28 ... l-in-1961/

Regarding point 4 - Obama has seen multiple "father figures" in his life. Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Dunham are two, of which Dunham did indeed enlist and serve as a sergeant. Politicians have a habit of saying stupid stuff, and this isn't the first time something like this happened (see Jan Brewer from Arizona). However, out of all these "points" I find this one a bit more suspicious, due to the actual hoops and ring-arounds that are used to explain the statement.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:09 pm

Capricorn, if you do some searching here, you will find this subject was discussed pretty extensively, do not recall where or what forum, but I think you will find a lot on this.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:08 pm

Personally, I don't care where Obama or anyone was born.

That is simply discrimination, entering the birth location into the equation today. I know what the constitution says.

If you can dupe people into voting for you, then they should be able to vote for whomever they wish. THAT is the spirit of democracy.
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Postby capricorn » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:30 pm

From Snopes: "Were more likely to use the term African to describe themselves". Yeah right... do you think that US Immigration cared what anyone thought best described themselves? Absolutely not! In 1961, the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare classified non-Whites, who were not Asian, Eskimo, Aleut, Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, or other “non-White,” as “Negro.” ...regardless of what snopes would like to believe.

If a person dupes the system to become president he isn't deserving... he is simply a criminal, and a liar. By your logic he can murder someone to become president and you'd be fine with that because its the spirit of democracy? please....

Your discrimination argument is weak, if a person isn't a citizen and provides falsified documentation then it is well within reason to question it.

Sorry greeney, I prob should have annexed this to an existing topic rather than open a new one.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:53 pm

capricorn wrote:From Snopes: "Were more likely to use the term African to describe themselves". Yeah right... do you think that US Immigration cared what anyone thought best described themselves? Absolutely not! In 1961, the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare classified non-Whites, who were not Asian, Eskimo, Aleut, Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, or other “non-White,” as “Negro.” ...regardless of what snopes would like to believe.


Do you have proof of this? Are you aware that Obama's biological father was never an American citizen, and even if he was, that Immigration has no business in how a birth certificate is filled out?

Are you also aware of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."?

Edit: Link stating that the long form of Obama's birth certificate as posted earlier has been reviewed and approved by Hawaii State Registrar Alvin Onaka - http://www.salon.com/2012/06/07/orly_ta ... singleton/

Hawaii again confirming that the certificate matches the original records - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... 039?pgno=1
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Postby bionic » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:25 am

this is such an OVER debate..let's debate about how raped women 'can't get pregant'
Biology 101 says WTF???
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Postby capricorn » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:00 am

Uh, yeah, how is that dude still running for congress??
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