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Postby qmark » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:30 am

khanster wrote:Early Christianity and reincarnation:
Notice that the Pharisees questioning John were expecting the reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet. And John did not refute the concept of reincarnation when he stated his ignorance about having a past life as Elijah. But Jesus was not ignorant about John. Jesus knew better and said so in the plainest words possible:

This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist ... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matt. 11:11-15)

Jesus revealed John to be Elijah; but John denied it. Which of the two people are right - Jesus or John? The answer should be very clear. John's denial of his own past identity as Elijah does not mean he did not have a past life as Elijah. This is especially true when Jesus claimed that John was indeed Elijah.



Good grief!
The Pharisees were not expecting a reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet, they were expecting THE Old Testament prophet. John wasn't lying when he said he wasn't Elijah and Jesus was correct when He called him Elijah because John the Baptist came in the office of Elijah, doing the work of Elijah. That is why Jesus followed that up with "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Jesus was basically saying, "You wanted to see Elijah, well, here he is, listen to him and believe what he says" But, they did not.
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Postby khanster » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:51 pm

qmark wrote:
John wasn't lying when he said he wasn't Elijah and Jesus was correct when He called him Elijah because John the Baptist came in the office of Elijah, doing the work of Elijah. That is why Jesus followed that up with "He who has ears to hear, let him hear."

Jesus was basically saying, "You wanted to see Elijah, well, here he is, listen to him and believe what he says" But, they did not.


Hopefully you can give me some scholarly references to back that up.
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Postby khanster » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:13 am

You are correct qmark... :)

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matt ... lly-elijah


The teaching of reincarnation is against the Old Testament; therefore, Jesus was not teaching that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated. So, what did Jesus mean when He said that John the Baptist was Elijah? We see in Malachi 4:5 this prophecy, "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." Jesus is referring to the prophecy concerning Elijah. We see that the coming of Elijah was in the spirit of Elijah, which is so stated in Luke 1:13-17. The context is when Zecharias, John's father-to-be, was performing his priestly duties in the temple (Luke 1:8ff). An angel of the Lord appeared to Zacharias and said,

"Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14"And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15"For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16"And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17"And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord," (Luke 1:13-17).

So, we see that John the Baptist was in the spirit of Elijah, but not actually Elijah reincarnated.

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Postby boastonline » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:18 am

You guys are EXCELLENT interpreters of interpreters of interpreters.
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Postby bionic » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:22 am

boastonline wrote:You guys are EXCELLENT interpreters of interpreters of interpreters.

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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:43 am

Indeed.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:18 am

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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:56 am

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