greeney2 wrote:No, Qmark said there is only one delusion, which is the delusion God does not exist! That would be you EH, not the rest of the world.
humphreys wrote:greeney2 wrote:No, Qmark said there is only one delusion, which is the delusion God does not exist! That would be you EH, not the rest of the world.
The best definition for a delusion I can find is: "a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact".
If Christianity is clearly true, then Muslims must, by definition, be deluded.
Now you and qmark are suggesting that it is only atheists who are deluded? How does that work, then?
What is the "reason", or "actual fact" that points to God being real? You guys must show that to make your case, I am waiting eagerly here to hear what it is! Oh, and if the existence of God is easily proven by "reason", or "actual fact", where does that leave faith, I wonder?
Methinks you guys have not really thought this through, and your argument is complete balls.
Now both Christians and Muslims however, match the definition of having a "delusion" perfectly, because their beliefs are clearly "fixed", and clearly resistant to any reason, as they are taken on "faith".
humphreys wrote:Qmark, by "God", you mean the God of the Bible specifically (YHWH), which means the large majority of the world is deluded for not accepting that particular being.
humphreys wrote:The Christians here seem to want to have it both ways. People like greeney and frrosted say, "billions of people believe in some form of God, how can they all be wrong?", and then you come along and say "billions of people don't believe in the right God, so they're all wrong, and deluded".
humphreys wrote:You are agreeing with what I have said all along, that whether the atheists are right or not, either way, a large percentage of the world is deluded, because you cannot just lump everyone who believes in a supreme being in the same group, because their beliefs differ vastly.
qmark wrote:I don't believe frrosted ever used numbers as "proof", but I will say that those who believe in a god are one step closer than the atheist, in that, they do not dismiss the possibility of a god outright.
greeney2 wrote:If I were an atheist I wouldn't like to defend the statistics either, so the only way to defend your numbers, is saying the numbers are just "silly", instead of saying they are a accurate concencous, that 90% of the entire population on earth, are believers in God. Of your 10%, only half believe God does not exist, the other half isn't sure.
qmark wrote:humphreys wrote:Also, most atheists do not dismiss the possibility of a god existing.
I disagree. If atheists do not dismiss it outright, than they are agnostics.