greeney2 wrote:In my opening question, I think we need to know where this question is all going, and in what context the senerio is intented. Seems to be a pretty unlikely and hypothetical extreme of an example, to make a blanket reply. Also want frrosted to explain further the Catholic perception is in his mind, as it pretains to this, and the answers? I think we all agree, we do not have a sufficient explanation of where this is going, and a senerio that is slightly "loaded" for some outcome.
Since I am working so many hours and finding less and less time to frequent the threads, I'll go ahead and say what I planned to say in response. I fully expect that most skeptics agree--the Christian belief that salvation is achieve through faith and trust in Christ--is merely a copout, or at the very least an "easy out" for all the sins they've committed... example: someone can murder a thousand people and according to the bible, have faith and trust in Christ and voila, they get a ticket to heaven. Most if not all skeptics I know loathe
such a concept and if nothing else, completely agree that it is a pathetic, cheap, easy way out.
My point is this:
If it's so easy, then ok--go ahead, skeptics. Have love for God--and faith in Christ and trust in His atoning work on the cross. I dare you. Go ahead. Do it. Snap your fingers and make yourself a Christian.
You see? It's not
easy. You can't do it. In fact, a much easier way would be to try achieve all the rites and rituals found in the bible to "earn" your way into heaven. At least that way all you have to do is just follow instructions. But to have true faith and trust in Christ and Christ's work alone, it is not only difficult... but impossible
for a skeptic to achieve. That's the point. The notion that it's an easy copout is completely false. Without the grace (gratia) of God, faith (fide) in Christ (Christos) alone is literally impossible. The utter and complete opposite
That was my point.
Yes. It's very easy to say
, "I have faith and trust in Christ." But saying it and meaning it are 2 completely different things, and on opposite ends of the spectrum as far as being achievable by your efforts alone.
Christians like me believe in salvation by grace alone, faith alone, through Christ alone. Seems easy on the surface, but, it's actually the most difficult thing anyone could (truly) do. No brag, just fact. I have no reason to boast because I don't deserve the credit for my faith. I couldn't have done it even if I tried... and without the grace of God, not only could I not achieve it, I couldn't want
it enough to even try in the first place.