The Black Vault

greeney2 wrote:You sure expect a lot of proof--maybe this time you could just tell me what proof would convince you and If I can find that I will.

greeney2 wrote:I disagree, if God was not revealing himself to you, you would not be arguing intently against all of us, that God does not exist, or its all a myth. Even in a negative arguement with many other believers, God is revealing himself to you, by showing you others profoundly affected by God in their lives, and all showing you in different ways, how God revealed himself to them. A real atheist would not waste his time, a real atheist would just not be bothered, so your mind wants to be convinced, you just reject whats coming in.

greeney2 wrote:You need to turn off the reject button, and digest a little of what is said, before you just argue back. Your hear only for the purpose of opposing, and not for the purpose of listening.

humphreys wrote:

greeney2 wrote:You sure expect a lot of proof--maybe this time you could just tell me what proof would convince you and If I can find that I will.

I dunno, you made the claim, what did you base it on?

I would think it would be impossible to say with any confidence who is and is not in hell, so it seems pretty silly of you to be making such assumptions.

greeney2 wrote:

humphreys wrote:

greeney2 wrote:You sure expect a lot of proof--maybe this time you could just tell me what proof would convince you and If I can find that I will.

I dunno, you made the claim, what did you base it on?

I would think it would be impossible to say with any confidence who is and is not in hell, so it seems pretty silly of you to be making such assumptions.

If proof is impossible for a mear man to provide, does that make it non existant? There is one way only to get your proof, and no way to tell about it.

humphreys wrote:What are you doing here arguing with an atheist? Have your own doubts, eh?

humphreys wrote:
You imply that every single person in the world who is not a Christian rejects it on the grounds of pride. I'm sure you don't really believe that.

Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, pantheists, none of them think Christianity is wrong due to other reasons? Lack of evidence, being brought up into other religions, different interpretations of evidence, the list is endless, but it is more than a little arrogant to think your religion is so self-evidently true that everyone believes at heart, but rejects because of pride. So, I don't think your statement is really accurate.

humphreys wrote:But you always knew he existed, and only rejected him for reasons of pride, right?

humphreys wrote:You're more able to debate than you realize, I am at least able to have a discussion with you which I unable to do with orangetom and others. I wish you well too.

humphreys wrote:By the way, regards the pride issue. As much as I have issue with the Bible God, I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to accept a certain eternity in hell on principle. If it was obvious to me God existed I would still choose heaven over an eternity of torture, and no one is so proud that they'd accept certain infinite torture for any reasons.

I respect anyone who would, but I doubt that's me.

humphreys wrote:Prove that any of those people chose hell, greeney.

Better yet, prove any of them actually went to hell. The Bible says all we need do is accept Jesus.

For all we know heaven is absolutely filled with the most vile people who have ever lived, who happened to accept Jesus before they died, and hell is filled with good people who simply lacked belief in your particular religion.