The Black Vault

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we are appendages of the same being..
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It's well and good to believe in some abstract unity of existence but religious organizations are usually more concerned with acquiring earthly power and telling people who they can marry and so on.

DIss0n80r wrote:It's well and good to believe in some abstract unity of existence but religious organizations are usually more concerned with acquiring earthly power and telling people who they can marry and so on.

All human institutions, whether they start off with good intentions or not, eventually succumb to corruption and greed. It's the nature of our race.

That's why I believe the Reformed Protestant theology has it right. The idea is to never steer away from what the bible says. As long as this tenet is followed, corruption and greed will not gum up the works.

Except that, the closer you stick to what the bible says, the greater your corruption will be.

This is Christopher Hitchens?? Good grief. He is about a big an airhead as is this fellow Dawkins. Misquote and misrepresentation.

Do not judge..


The Word indicates to judge righteous judgement.
With the woman caught in adultery ...Jesus told the Pharisees ..you who are without sin cast the first stone. The Pharisees had to make a judgement of their own here and found themselves unworthy. Also Jesus himself judged them and made them for to look at themselves whereupon they found themselves wanting.

Hitchens states about not saving or putting up goods.

In Proverbs 6 about considering the ant..putting up goods

And again in Proverbs 30 about preparing in the good of summer

This too..to accomplish requires judgement and wisdom to carry it out. And Jesus would have been familiar with this Proverb from the Olde Testament as so too would be the Apostle Paul.

The command in the New Testament about coming out from amongst them and be ye separate means one must know sufficient to make judgements. To not mix new wine with olde...leaven with unleavened. One is to know the difference and make judgements sufficient to know when to separate. We are in this world but not of this world.

Hitchens does not elaborate on this but only tells part of the story to support his beliefs. Just as often does Dawkins.

Judgement is important to the Believer..or he will not know when he is mixing leaven with unleavened or new wine with olde.

This is the very anti thesis of man's logic and reason..which says we must be tolerant...sufficient to mix new wine with olde..leaven with unleavened and be tolerant of this. What the Believer learns is that in Judgement....the world is not tolerant while demanding tolerance from the Believers. This is the fingerprint of the god of this world. The counterfeiter.
It is not the pattern and Wisdom of God.

Be very careful about what Human Reasoning, logic wisdom try to tell you is sane or logical...reasonable in making human judgements.




Watch something here about reason and logic.

This was shown to me of recent but I immediately recognized it as being the very anti thesis of what so many non believers try to say or state on many of these types of posts about wars and religion.

Once you know this ..you will never again fall into the false trap of bad logic and reason concerning religion and wars.

Democide

Death by governments against their own peoples.

by political scientist R. J. Rummel

His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the inflictions of people working for governments than have died in battle.

The standard rhetoric is that religion is responsible for more wars and death in history ...and is the blame or onus for all of this stuff.

Once again ..we have only part of the story but it looks good on paper..in reason and logic...wisdom of men.

I knew something was very wrong with it and am often given to state that in the last hundred years or so more people have been killed and murdered in wars in times of logic and reason and at a faster rate than in times past...wise men running things..men of logic and reason..than in the thousands of years before.

Now here we have a political scientist.. R. J. Rummel... declaring that people have been killed in the last hundred years by their own governments...not in war ..to the tune of 262 million people.

This kind of death toll is called Democide


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide



Now you Believers here are armed with knowledge most unbelievers do not want you to know and from a political scientist themselves. A man of logic and reason. A wise man..a man of letters..from one of their own gurus.

While I am thinking about it...have any of you ever been taught this in public schools..if not so..why not??

Has anyone on the news media..looking out for you .....taught this to the public..if not..why not?? Can it be that they do not want you to know this information's??? Not want you to ever be able to think this far and for yourself???

I had a young fellow begin down this trail at work the other night...with this nonsense about wars and religion. I quickly cut him off and quoted R. J, Rummel and the conversation just broke right down. Nada...dead!! Stopped dead in his tracks.

He had been so accustomed to defaulting through without debate on this topic.appearing to be logical and reasonable with pat/stock phrases ..that he was not ready for someone who knew differently. Nor was he ready/prepared for the numbers and history.
He found himself with half a deck of cards when he was usually able to pull it off ..because most people have less than half a deck of cards themselves.

I am ever grateful to the fellow who taught me about Democide.

Remember this my fellow Believers. You are now armed. Book mark the Wiki Article and the quotes by R. J. Rummel. You are going to run across plenty of opportunities to be armed with knowledge someone does not want you to know. They prefer that you be kept in the dark about this.
You are now armed with Salt sufficient to pour this Salt on slugs when they begin down this same textbook path with predictability of stock phrases and chanting.

The point here is to be very careful when following men and man's logic and reason. Know enough/sufficient to examine it closely. Often it makes good logic and reason..but some of the cards are missing from the deck. Know enough to examine it all..for often it is not the product advertised.

Also ...do the same with men of the cloth..for they too are often not the product advertised. Believers are also instructed to understand and examine their own ministers as to whether they teach and preach the Whole Council of God..not just the sugary and sweet parts.

We are to know enough to make such judgements. Not run around with half the deck of cards.

Hope this helps some of you to spot nonsense when you see or hear it.

And you will begin to recognize that while this stuff makes good logic and reason with half a deck of cards...in reality it does not make good nonsense....when you have the whole deck. Very much like politics today.

And who is it ..paying for/financing public education..where we often get only half the deck of cards??? Politicians???
Men of logic and reason. Or are they really drama queens preying on our gullibility and emotional vulnerabilities/lack of knowledge and wisdom??

Is not politics today becoming more and more tabloid like..drama...emotions?? Good cop/bad cop. Good guys/bad guys. So too with this bad logic and reason about wars and religion.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Very good, Tom. You have exposed Their evil secular trickery. The talking snake is most displeased.