The Black Vault

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DIss0n80r wrote:I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, Cap, but that doesn't change that it's weird to use fiction as evidence for a religious claim.

What makes you think my feelings were hurt? I'm just trying to remind you of some forum etiquette. You made no attempt to understand greeney's point. I don't believe that greeney''s intention was to validate fictional artistry as any sort of evidence for religion. All he is saying is that you "suspend" belief for the movies, but none of you want to suspend belief just for a second to consider something other that what you can taste touch hear see and feel. Maybe if you try it in places other than a movie theater it might add value to your life... At least that's all I got from it But, you may want to get further clarification from him first, I dont want to mis-represent him.

DIssOn88r wrote:I'm a bit horrified, in fact, that you seem so determined to defend a tactic that clearly hurts the theistic position.

Horrified? Gee, maybe the internet isn't for you. However, if you took some time to understand the point rather than getting your panties in a bunch then maybe you wouldn't be so horrified.

DIssOn88r wrote:Being honest again here: Treating superhero movies or fantasy stories like Harry Potter as if those can validate religious beliefs in the supernatural or deities is simply not reasonable.

They're made-up. They're fake. It doesn't matter if you think they resemble something you might believe in. They're not real. And by comparing your beliefs to imaginary characters and events from movies and books, you are not helping make your case.

Wow.. I cant believe you actually took time to write that? Are you you so gullible to believe that people actually think Harry Potter is real?

DIssOn88r wrote:Hey, I even like your Blade Runner example of imagining possible future technology. However, that's a matter of science. It's not equivalent to claims of supernatural beings or magical powers backed by... Harry Potter.

Hey, if human civilization keeps progressing the way it has for the next 1000 yrs.. I wouldn't doubt if someone conjures up the world of Harry Potter.. it wouldn't be so fantasy at all then would it?

DIss0n80r wrote:I've been hoping Cap has only been trolling or high. IMO, putting that much sincere effort into defending an obvious fallacy is more than just embarassing. It's disturbing.

If I was hanging with one of my friends IRL and he claimed that elves and fairies and pixies existed because he saw the Smurfs movie, I would laugh in his face and tell him to go sleep it off.

And to be perfectly clear, when I initially called it weird, I wasn't putting it as strongly as I actually felt. That was me being nice.

Even calling it pothead logic is milder than my genuine reaction was. If I'm being brutally honest, I think it's flat out bugcrap crazy.

Wow, good job... way to ruin this thread.

So your point is that I should pretend your religion is real in the same way as when I watch a, saaay, vampire or werewolf movie... then that is being fair about it?

.......Okay!

Seriously though, you might want to talk to a professional. I'm not qualified to help you...

capricorn wrote:Wow, good job... way to ruin this thread.

It's not my fault if people say crazy things. I just point out the craziness.

Hey, if human civilization keeps progressing the way it has for the next 1000 yrs.. I wouldn't doubt if someone conjures up the world of Harry Potter.. it wouldn't be so fantasy at all then would it?

Case in point.

capricorn wrote:All he is saying is that you "suspend" belief for the movies, but none of you want to suspend belief just for a second to consider something other that what you can taste touch hear see and feel.

None of us, eh? Quite the assumption, that.

at1with0 wrote:

capricorn wrote:What about all the comforts you enjoy because of those who referenced imaginary stories as inspiration? You don't know what to say to them either?

Not the point whatsoever.

Here it is again:

greeney2 wrote:You don't want to recognize superpowers of God, and claim logic doesn't allow it, while you are buying tickets to the movies to see superheros from Spidermen to Terminators, Rambo to the Green Lantern, Just about any hot chick dressed in tight superhero spandex, and hundreds of TV shows every week. Lets not even get into computer generated superpowers, like transformers. Go Figure!

The (fictional) existence of Luke Skywalker does not prove any religious claims.

Luke Skywalker isn't real?

DIss0n80r wrote:Luke Skywalker isn't real?

Don't you know? Luke Skywalker is the reason Jesus exists.

at1with0 wrote:

capricorn wrote:All he is saying is that you "suspend" belief for the movies, but none of you want to suspend belief just for a second to consider something other that what you can taste touch hear see and feel.

None of us, eh? Quite the assumption, that.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I guess I must be an atheist because I don't believe in a story about talking snakes and magic fruit.

at1with0 wrote:

DIss0n80r wrote:Luke Skywalker isn't real?

Don't you know? Luke Skywalker is the reason Jesus exists.

"Just pretend that pretend is real and pretend will really be real." - Yoda