The Black Vault

OraProNobis wrote:Because you DO NOT believe in Him, is no reason to say we have no proof He exists. It is no reason to come and try to say His existence on earth, His death, and His resurrection did not happen, or to even say that He will not come back to earth, the same way he left.

OraProNobis wrote:I felt that those who hurt others so seriously would never have to account for it. Please don't take this as i want them to go to hell, because I wish no one to go to hell. But I want truth about situations to be exposed , like 911, and many other events.

Would you rather a bad person get off scott free, or would you prefer they burn in hell for all eternity? Because I am not a fan of any injustice, but eternal punishment is far more of an injustice than no punishment at all in my opinion.


God is supposed to be just, but his two rulings are either eternal torture, or eternal paradise. What kind of justice system is that?

Purgatory is a doctrine of the Catholic Church. It refers to the state of being after death in which people do penance for sins not atoned for on earth. It’s biblical basis is found in both the Old and New Testaments. Just as the doctrine of purgatory flows from the Catholic understanding of grace, so misconceptions flow from a misunderstanding of grace. Errors concerning this doctrine are most prevalent among Protestants due to their teaching of sola fide

(Excerpts taken from: "The apparitions of Our Lady at Medjugorje", by Svetozar Kraljevic, O.F.M.)

Interview with Mirjana Dragicevic, By Fr. Tomislav Vlasic

Medjugorje, January 10, 1983

T: Mirjana, we have not seen each other for some time, and I would like you to tell me about the apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and especially with the events that are connected to you.

M: I have seen the Blessed Virgin Mary for eighteen months now, and feel I know Her very well. I feel she loves me with Her Motherly love, and so I have been able to ask Her about anything I would like to know. I've asked her to explain some things about Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell that were not clear to me. For example, I asked Her how God can be so unmerciful as to throw people into Hell, to suffer forever. I thought: If a person commits a crime and goes to jail, he stays there for a while and then is forgiven - but to Hell, forever? She told me that souls who go to Hell have ceased thinking favorably of God - have cursed Him, more and more. So they've already become a part of Hell, and choose not to be delivered from it.

Then she told me that there are levels in Purgatory: Levels close to Hell and higher and higher toward Heaven. Most people, she said, think many souls are released from Purgatory into Heaven on All Saints' Day, but most souls are taken into Heaven on Christmas Day.

T: Did you ask why God allows Hell?

M: No, I did not. But afterward I had a discussion with my aunt, who told me how merciful God is. So I said I would ask the Madonna how God could......

T: According to what you've said, then; It's simple as this: People who oppose God on earth just continue their existence after death, and oppose God in Hell?

M: Really, I thought if a person goes to Hell....Don't people pray for their salvation? Could God be so unmerciful as not to hear their prayers? Then the Madonna explained it to me. People in Hell do not pray at all; instead, they blame God for everything. In effect, they become one with Hell and they get used to it. They rage against God, and they suffer, but they always refuse to pray to God.

T: To ask Him for salvation?

M: In Hell, they hate Him even more.

T: As for Purgatory, you say that souls who pray frequently are sometimes allowed to communicate, at least by messages, with people on earth, and that they receive the benefits of prayers said on earth?

M: Yes. Prayers that are said on earth for souls who have not prayed for their salvation are applied to souls in purgatory who pray for their salvation.

T: Did the Madonna tell you whether many people go to Hell today?

M: I asked her about that recently, and She said that, today, most people go to purgatory, the next greatest number go to Hell, and only a few go directly to Heaven.

T: Only a few go to Heaven?

M: Yes only a few - the least number - go to Heaven.

T: Did you ask about the conditions for a person to enter Heaven?

M: No I didn't; but, we can probably say what they are. God is not looking for great believers but simply for those who respect their faith and live peacefully, without malice, meanness, falsehood.

T: This is your interpretation, your understanding?

M: Yes. After I talked to the Madonna, I came to that conclusion; No one has to do great miracles or do great penance; merely live a simple, peaceful life.

T: Well, besides Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory, is there anything else new recently?

M: The Madonna told me that I should tell the people that many in our time judge their faith by their priests. If a priest is not holy, they conclude that there is no God. She said: "You do not go to church to judge the priest, to examine his personal life. You go to church to pray and to hear the word of God from the priest." This must be explained to the people, because many turn away from the faith because of priests.

Jesus reveals details of His Crucifixion
Thursday, March 29th, 2012 @ 01:15 pm



My dearly beloved daughter My time for more suffering will come about as My Passion on the cross will be commemorated.

No man understands the extent of My suffering during My crucifixion or the way in which I was scourged.

My scourging was the worst. I was beaten savagely by ten men and every inch of My body was slashed.

The flesh on My back was torn and My shoulder blades were visible.

I could barely stand and one eye was bruised and crushed.

I could only see through My left eye.

By the time they took Me before Pontius Pilate and placed the crown of thorns on My head I could barely stand up.

They then stripped Me bare before placing a short red garment over My head and then placed a palm branch in my right hand.

Each thorn was like a needle so sharp was it. One of these thorns also pierced My right eye which left Me barely able to see.

I lost so much blood that I vomited and was so dizzy that when I began My ascent to Calvary I could not hold the cross.

I fell so many times that it took hours before I reached the top of the hill.

I was scourged and whipped each step of the way.

My body was bloody all over and covered with a thick sweat produced by a scorching sun.

I fainted a few times.

Much as this was painful and agonising the most frightening of all was the hatred shown to Me, not just by the adults along the way, but by young children who kicked Me because they were following their parents’ example.

The screams that poured out from their mouths and the hatred was nothing compared to the fear they had of Me.

Because, behind it all, they were still not sure whether or not I was, in fact, the Messiah they were awaiting for so long.

It was easier, therefore, to hate Me, denounce Me rather than accept Me for that would have meant that they would have had to change their ways.

My most agonising moment was when I lay on the ground on My side, having being kicked in the back again, and saw My beloved Mother looking at Me.

She was heart broken and had to be held up by two of My disciples.

I could only see her through the one remaining eye and I could not bear to watch her torment.

The jeers, screams and roars from the crowds of hundreds could be felt from the ground I lay on and it took six hundred soldiers to organise and supervise the crucifixion of Myself and six others.

I was the main focus of their attention and the others did not suffer like I did.

When My wrists, at the base of My thumbs, were nailed to the cross I could no longer feel.

My body was so battered and bruised that I had gone into shock.

My shoulders were dislocated and My arms were torn out of their sockets.

The worst physical damage was inflicted on My body before I was nailed to the cross.

I let out no scream.

No protest.

Only a whisper.

This infuriated My executioners who wanted a reaction to satisfy their lusts.

I never engaged with them for to do so would have meant that I would have had to engage with Satan and his demons who infested their souls.

This is why their viciousness towards Me was so intense.

I was hanging on the cross for five hours.

The sun was scorching and without clouds to help reduce the burning of My skin

As soon as I took My last breath My Father sent forth black clouds as well as thunder and lightning.

The storm that took place was of such a frightening magnitude and so sudden that My spectators were left in no doubt at that stage that I was, indeed, the Saviour that had been sent by God the Father.

I reveal this to you My daughter as a gift to you in return for the huge act of suffering you have offered Me.

Tell My children that I do not regret My Passion on the Cross.

What I do regret is that My sacrifice has been forgotten and that so many deny that My crucifixion took place.

Many have no idea as to what I had to suffer as many of My apostles did not witness My climb to Calvary.

What hurts Me today is that so many deny Me still.

My appeal to you, My followers, is do not allow My Crucifixion to go to waste.

I died for ALL sins including those committed today.

I want and I need to save even those who deny Me even today.

Your Beloved Saviour

Jesus Christ

OraProNobis wrote:I regret to have to say this, but after much prayer, and careful examination of some of the words in these messages , I am having some serious doubt as to the authenticity of them.

humphreys wrote:

OraProNobis wrote:I regret to have to say this, but after much prayer, and careful examination of some of the words in these messages , I am having some serious doubt as to the authenticity of them.

Takes guts to admit you may be wrong, well done

If they had accepted Me I would have reigned on earth and the whole of humanity could have enjoyed eternal salvation.

greeney2 wrote:OraProNobis and Humphreys, you both forgot one other possibility besides Heaven, Hell, or Purgatory. That is repentance, remorse, Confession of your sins while you are still living. We all have redemption while we are still living, a belief of all Christians having before death. Catholics believe in Purgatory, where other Christian religions do not. A waiting place, so to speak, and probably where you learn about the term Mericiful God. So if you are an atheist, better lean twards being a little Catholic, even 5% would help.