greeney2 wrote:I think its the other way around, that the premise of withholding a Confession would led to a prosocution for contempt. I am with you 100% on the moral issue, however what is the price we pay for a free society? If you do not allow Priest to remain confidential, you certainly can not allow an attorney to remain confidential. First a priest is dealing with the persons soul and absolution. A lawer is only dealing with getting his client out of jail and off scott free. There is a big difference, yet we honor the right to a fair trial in this country, and how fair would anyones trial ever be, if the attorneys were required to not represent the guilty?
It is a difficult moral issue, and I agree how can a priest honor a Confession when he knows future victims may result by keeping quiet. Its a very hard question that involves our most basic rights as Americans, the freedom of religion. Were these rights in our Constitution ever intended to reach such extremes, probably not? They never imagined pronography, burning the flag, AK47's, 30 shot 9mm's, birth control or abortion. Those who wrote this stuff thought is was Ok to own slaves, so clearly didn't get the concept of human rights. Women were not even allowed to vote.
Grennie you said and i quote .....First a priest is dealing with the persons soul and absolution. A lawer is only dealing with getting his client out of jail and off scott free.
This is complete fallacies, Jesus Christ never gave authority to priest to deal with peoples soul. This man made religion from the CC was for control and for pecuniary reasons to build an empire.
In my eyes the Roman Catholic Church is a big joke and a big hoax
From the bible :
"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." —Isaiah 42:8
Well the Catholic Church is full of statues and graven images. Either you beleive the bible if you are a Christian or you beleive in a man made religion which puts out doctrines and dogmas as time went goes by the centuries.
The Bible does not compromise. If you beleive that the bible is God word and that He said what He meant and meant what He said. Many of the foundational doctrines of Roman Catholicism are not found anywhere in the Bible either in the Old or New Testament. It is wrong l to reject the plain teachings of Scripture in exchange for the traditions of men
In the bible it is clear as night and day :
It is said that God will not share His glory with another (Isaiah 42:8). In Exodus 20:3-5 we read that God is a jealous God, so jealous that we are commanded not to even bow to a statue or image. What ARE YOU ALL DOING all of you Catholics KNELLING IN FRONT OF A DEAD Jesus ON A CROSS OR LIGHTING UP CANDELES IN FRONT OF STATUES. The Egyptians sure did the same thing during Jesus time.
The bible says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God" -Exodus 20:3
God is more jealous than any husband or wife could ever be. It is a dangerous thing to commit idolatry. It is a sin to bow to any saint. Roman Catholicism twists the Bible, actually condoning the idolatrous glorifying of dead people (saints). It is a sin to pray to anyone or anything in an attempt to influence God. There is ONLY One Mediator between God and men-- as a Christian The Lord Jesus Christ...should be the only exception
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1st Timothy 2:5
The ONLY Way to God the Father is through God the Son. John 14:6 declares...
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
So tell me
what are you all praying in front of statues or using priests as a mediator when the old and the new testaments forbid it.
Jesus NEVER even once asked anyone to create an image of Him dying on a cross. The Catholic Church is infested with idols, crucifixes and superstitions.
It is wrong to pray or even bow to "Mother Mary." if you are a true Christian.
John the Baptist was called the greatest man born amongst men (Mathew 11:11), yet Jesus said that he that is LEAST in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John. The same is true with Mary or anyone else.
By the way, the teaching of Catholics that Mary was born without any "original sin" is absurd. The Bible does not teach any nonsense about an "Immaculate Conception" or anything about "original sin." The word "original" is not even found in the Bible.
history reveals that the Catholic religion is composed today of a series of invented heresies from over the centuries.
Cardinal Newman, in his book, "The Development of the Christian Religion," admits that ... "Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin..."
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees, for they transgressed the commandments of God by keeping their traditions. "in vain," He said, "they worship me by keeping for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matt. 15:3,9).
In 1834, the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. This is an invented dogma less than 200 years. And by the way Mary had more than one child.
In 1439, the doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence.
The Catholic heresy of the "Assumption of Mary" isn't found in the Bible.
Matthew 23:9 in the New Testament of the Bible forbids calling any man "Father" in the sense of reverence...
"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." -Matthew 23:9
Catholics disobey the Bible by calling the priest "Father." Only God is to be reverenced by such a title. The Pope is NOT the "vicar" of God
Are Catholics as well as you
? Or perhaps Catholics just don't read the Bible.
1st Timothy 4:1-3 clearly WARNS us about cults that forbid people to eat meat (every Friday for Catholics) that was the case for hundreds of centuries with threats of going to hell if you did not confess and get the absolution prior to your death.
1st Timothy 4:1-3 clearly WARNS us about cults that forbid people getting married (Catholic celibacy laws that forbid priests from getting married).
Where does the bible teach about reciting the rosary to be performed every day. The Rosary, or prayer beads, was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090...copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ (Matthew 6:5-13).
Jesus condemned chants and recited prayers...
Jesus says in the bible :
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." —Matthew 6:7
The mass and its prayers are continuous repetitions that is contrary to the bible. Again either you beleive the bible and the sayings of Jesus or the Catholic church with its cultist doctrines and dogmas. You cannot have it both ways
Jesus offers restful salvation to anyone who will receive it. God doesn't require us to perform sacraments or give our lives to the Catholic Church. Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is within our hearts, not in temples or extravagant buildings made by men. God is a Spirit and they that worship Him MUST worship Him in Spirit and in TRUTH (John 4:24).
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." -Matthew 11:28
Salvation is found in Christ and God alone if you are a real Christian and --NOT by baptism, NOT by the sacraments, NOT by church membership, NOT by praying the rosary, NOT by sacrificing, NOT by religion, NOT by mass, NOT by the Pope, NOT by the priest... Only by God and Jesus Christ if you are a true Christian and are good to your neighbor as yourself
The Catholic Church also claims that Mary, was a perpetual virgin all of her life. Yet the Bible says this is simply not true, for Mary was a virgin until Jesus was born, and then had normal sexual relations with her husband Joseph, and had other children, see Matthew 1:23-25:
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" - which means, "God with us." When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her "until" she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. [Matthew 1:23-25]
It point blank and clear
that Mary had sex with her husband after Jesus was born. There goes the theory that Mary was a virgin all her life. Either the bible is right or wrong. And what is wrong with having sex .
Mary and her other children There was an incident when Jesus' mother and "brothers" (Mary's children), went to get Jesus: "When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." [Mark 3:21]
"Someone told Jesus, 'Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.' He replied to him, 'Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?' Pointing to his disciples, Jesus said, 'Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.'" [Matthew 12:47-50]
Why are people kneeling in front of a statue representing a so called virgin when it is not true an should not be kneeling and worshiping Mary in the first place
The point that Jesus was making is that Mary, his earthly mother, had no special position or honor over any other Christian who does God's will. Mary is blessed, as was the Apostles, they were used by God in a special way, but she was never to be worshiped and elevated as the Catholics do.
In my eyes
this is a dishonor to her and to Christ. The prayers of Catholics to Mary and the other saints are worth noting because there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." [1 Timothy 2:5] according to the bible
Mary is not a mediator, she can't hear us nor intervene in any way.
You and other Catholics are caught up in a great deception,