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Postby at1with0 » Tue May 01, 2012 5:14 am

Your quote said: This means that an objective account of the nature of an object does not draw on any assumptions, values or prejudices of a particular subject and thus can be universally accepted.

I said: Assumptions like the three laws of thought. You know, identity, noncontradiction, and excluded middle. It looks like in science those assumptions are made.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 01, 2012 10:34 am

We probably couldn't say much of anything meaningful or useful about objective reality without those basics.
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Postby khanster » Tue May 01, 2012 11:31 am

at1with0 wrote:Your quote said: This means that an objective account of the nature of an object does not draw on any assumptions, values or prejudices of a particular subject and thus can be universally accepted.

I said: Assumptions like the three laws of thought. You know, identity, noncontradiction, and excluded middle. It looks like in science those assumptions are made.


In some philosophies, the law of identity is not taken to be an assumption but is taken to be a fact that cannot be refuted.

The genius forums contain sages of ancient wisdom and if you wish to argue that the law of identity is only an assumption, they are the ones you must convince. It is impossible to say that the law of identity is an assumption without destroying your own argument because in order to do so, you must use identity, which thusly invalidates your argument.


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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 01, 2012 11:35 am

Identity is not absolute.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue May 01, 2012 6:07 pm

It's certainly not a fact without proof. :D
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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 01, 2012 6:32 pm

:lol:
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Postby at1with0 » Tue May 01, 2012 6:37 pm

Or at least Khan will think so...
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Postby khanster » Tue May 01, 2012 9:31 pm

at1with0 wrote:It's certainly not a fact without proof. :D


The sages of genius forum claim to have proof. Their insane devotion to the law of identity is admirable, though possibly mistaken.

Assumptions form a closed system of reasoning whereby the conclusions derived from the initial postulates must hold true within that closed framework. In that respect truth must be absolute within those closed systems.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 01, 2012 10:44 pm

Don't lose faith, Khan! It's true if it has to be!
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Postby khanster » Tue May 01, 2012 10:54 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:Don't lose faith, Khan! It's true if it has to be!


I know that you and at1with0 appear to have lost faith in reality for some reason... :boohoo:
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