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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby khanster » Sat May 05, 2012 8:58 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:But what if the generalization is also exclusive and thus only relatively complete?


That is called Russell's paradox, a variant of the liars paradox. No one has resolved that one yet.
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby DIss0n80r » Sun May 06, 2012 2:51 am

That's cool. I was thinking that maybe separation and unification are actually the same.
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby at1with0 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:46 am

For your viewing pleasure. Russell's paradox put to use.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0810.4339
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby khanster » Sun May 06, 2012 11:57 pm

at1with0 wrote:For your viewing pleasure. Russell's paradox put to use.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0810.4339



that is very interesting, thanks :clap: :dance: :clap:
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby khanster » Tue May 15, 2012 1:20 am

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth ... ondence/#6

Although the truth that the cat is on the mat does not resemble the cat or the mat (the truth doesn't smell, etc.), it does resemble the fact that the cat is on the mat. This is not a qualitative resemblance; it is a more abstract, structural resemblance.

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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 15, 2012 8:36 am

Isomorphic symbols.
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby at1with0 » Tue May 15, 2012 8:42 am

All that was done in that quote was to define truth to be what is factual.

Not very helpful because one can naturally ask what the word 'factual' means and pretty rapidly end up with the word truth in the definition tree.

Therefore, the word truth is atomic just as the word set is atomic.

That does NOT mean NOTHING can be said about truth just as it is not the case that nothing can be said about sets.
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 15, 2012 8:47 am

The-thing-in-itself.
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby at1with0 » Tue May 15, 2012 8:53 am

It is what it is?
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Re: More on the "what is truth?" question

Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 15, 2012 8:56 am

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