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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:51 am

Yes. It's like an insidious infection of reason which is the liberation of soul. My focus determines my reality, as cliché as that might sound. Have you ever had the strong conviction that what's behind the stage is what's real? You're behind the stage I perceive at the moment, for the moment, and you will come back on stage and I'll interpret that event as reading the next post. It's all smoke and mirrors. I know I'm probably misinterpreting this but in QM, from what I understand, nothing exists until it is perceived. For me, it sometimes feels like an act of creation when I perceive something.


With each new perception an act of creation.

Now understand that is part of prayer.

That is part of perceptions we attatch to others around us.

Grace forming.

With alot of grace we are given the ability to form and to reshape.

Perceptions again determine physical, emotional, spiritual, etc experiences.

Not only for ourselves but for all others, noticeably ones closest to us.

How much of an ability does Gods spirit have to change our creations?
How close have we drawn to Love is how far we can draw.

Here is where you are at:
You have said if you had something you would keep it.
You were telling the truth.
Because you have been sitting with a full cup.
You don't start emptying the cup and suffering comes from selfishness.
Going through phases of losing yourself is to not only find yourself again,
but to find that you have a part of everyone, of everything, that the
new creation you've become is lively, always changing and growing,
and within all things capable and currently perceived and known to you.
Meaning, you have right now, everything you ever wanted.
You have to give up some of the fear in knowing it.
And the people around you, are depending on it.
You made it man, now cut yourself some slack.
To hold back because of being hurt and to keep your differences to yourself
is a very outdated outlook for you- that has no no no need - the cause
and effects are far beyond working with the same past bs.
There is nothing that you could now share,
that isn't going to be jam packed in life giving.
We have been working on things for quite some time and for
damnit you have got to get back to that. As time has gone on
I'm aware that it appears everything is hung out, and we both
know that is not the entire case. Do not assume that I do not
know where you have been and what you have gone through.
When you go through hell, and everyone is a part of you,
how in the hell are they suppose to respond to you, to understand
you, to accept you, or embrace you. It is an unbelievably ridiculous
expectation that we expect others to understand us at times.
Be the understanding one. Know that you are already acknowledged.
That its ok to forget about yourself to care for others and know that
you are caring for yourself. And that after being to hell and back
and taking everyone around you with, the rewards that come which is
joy love peace happiness etc etc etc etc that build and build and
form new creations out of your experiences and life will be given first
to you but to all others as well. I am pushing you because
you've been lazy in what you are capable of, only because I love you,
and I love myself, and I think about the people in your life, in mine,
and just in the world in general. You don't need to concern yourself
with rejection any longer. Those things will scatter at the glimpse of
what you can share. I am moving in a furniture set today so I have some
work to do around here.

If anyone in my life appears in-sane its me. I jump from world to world
and realm to realm on a constant.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Postby at1with0 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:15 pm

With each new perception an act of creation.

Now understand that is part of prayer.

That is part of perceptions we attatch to others around us.

Grace forming.

With alot of grace we are given the ability to form and to reshape.

Perceptions again determine physical, emotional, spiritual, etc experiences.

Not only for ourselves but for all others, noticeably ones closest to us.

How much of an ability does Gods spirit have to change our creations?
How close have we drawn to Love is how far we can draw.



This touches upon something that is very near and dear to me. It's actually a form of validation to know that others come to the same general conclusion. Validation while perhaps unnecessary is not such a bad thing.

When you have faith in what God's spirit can do, the limits fade.

If perception is an act of creation, then one can re-create themselves with every new perception of self. The idea that how I view myself influences me greatly is not lost on me. To view myself in one way only is like being stuck in the mud--the fixity of self-perception which prohibits an evolution of sorts.

Too much slack might turn into...laziness. Complacency.

To hold back because of being hurt and to keep your differences to yourself
is a very outdated outlook for you- that has no no no need - the cause
and effects are far beyond working with the same past bs.


What are you saying exactly? That I have nothing to fear by not keeping my differences to myself? That that fear is outdated?

We have been working on things for quite some time and for
damnit you have got to get back to that.


How?

Do not assume that I do not
know where you have been and what you have gone through.


We're probably having this conversation because I don't assume what you know or do not know.

When you go through hell, and everyone is a part of you,
how in the hell are they suppose to respond to you, to understand
you, to accept you, or embrace you. It is an unbelievably ridiculous
expectation that we expect others to understand us at times.


It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?

Know that you are already acknowledged.

Sounds like I just heard a door open. What does it mean to you to "be acknowledged"?

That its ok to forget about yourself to care for others and know that
you are caring for yourself. And that after being to hell and back
and taking everyone around you with, the rewards that come which is
joy love peace happiness etc etc etc etc that build and build and
form new creations out of your experiences and life will be given first
to you but to all others as well.


You're making it out to be that I'm a caregiver. Is that what you really think? Not that I'm denying it--but I'm not affirming it either.

I am pushing you because
you've been lazy in what you are capable of, only because I love you,
and I love myself, and I think about the people in your life, in mine,
and just in the world in general.


Thanks, for that. It's abundantly clear. That and that I should think about getting my head out of my ass. Believe me, I have thought about it. Still think about it.

Hmm.. Pushing me to do what, exactly?

You don't need to concern yourself
with rejection any longer. Those things will scatter at the glimpse of
what you can share. I am moving in a furniture set today so I have some
work to do around here.


Indeed. Been that way for a long time now.

If anyone in my life appears in-sane its me. I jump from world to world
and realm to realm on a constant.


That's all right, sanity is overrated. =)
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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:25 pm

It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?


Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us. Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present. It is ridiculous at times to think that others will understand
any present point or expression of ourselves if we are more presently living
with Gods will and spirit. What is so hard to understand about that?
That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God. Not to me, not to at1.
Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self. Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives. You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:26 pm

It's probably because I expect the opposite that I keep to myself as much as I do. What's the point in not keeping to myself when it is unbelievably ridiculous to expect that from people?


Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us. Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present. It is ridiculous at times to think that others will understand
any present point or expression of ourselves if we are more presently living
with Gods will and spirit. What is so hard to understand about that?
That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God. Not to me, not to at1.
Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self. Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives. You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.

Have a couple things to do here.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Postby at1with0 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:14 pm

Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us.


What to do now?

Is everyone aware of that spirit and life within themselves?
With Gods will? Minds are sometimes in conflict or out of balance with spirit.
With the present.


Highly doubtful.

That they will still understand. Patience they say is a virtue.
That is why there is no self acknowledgment in what some would hope
or wish for, all thanks be to God.


Check out the poem in Green, Arcanist Probation. You might like it. You might have already seen it.. :roll: I think what you mean by the last sentence is written in the checks/balances stanza.
Would it be safe to say you're an arcanist not on probation??
In my theories about that, acknowledgment from one is an initiation into the whole. It has already happened, this acknowledgment -- from others, but I tend to let that sort of thing fade.


Understand yourself. Acknowledge yourself and know you know!
What does acknowledgment mean to me? What is it to me?
Acknowledgment is seeing love grow in my life and in all others.
The rest I have no concern for.


sandra wrote:I'm a free supply of any psychedelic you could get your hands on. :lol: :mrgreen:


Perhaps you're dead on :mrgreen:

You have to remember, think of the average person for a moment.
Think of what it takes them to get out of some of the most simplest
obstacles in daily life. Of one thing happening and having it entirely
ruin their day, maybe even their week or month. The time that it
can take for them to find clarity and resolution through thought
processes of cause and effects. The suffering of mind, the confinements
of self.


We're trained to suffer. I have to train myself differently.


Are you a care giver? Absolutely. You have all the ability to
speed up time and to take alot of pain, heart break, sickness,
etc from the years of peoples lives.


I can count on one hand with about two fingers removed how many people I'm nearly in a position to give care to directly (in the usual sense of the word directly).

You compute informations
at a fast rate and move through perceptions and experiences
with far more ease, your endurance is endless and your mind
is fairly free and not for nothing.

Where do you get all this info from?

Have a couple things to do here.

Sleep on it and write back? hehe I bet that's not what you meant.
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Postby Nesaie » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:38 pm

Fascinating dialogue. :D I'm going to have to go back and read the full thread now.

Thou art God.

Carry on. 8-)
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Postby sandra » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:06 pm

at1with0 wrote:Thank you, this is some of the stuff I have been looking for see.

The point is to not keep to yourself and to know you are already acknowledged.
You are acknowledged in truth, in love, in grace, and in Gods spirit which is part
of all of us.


What to do now?


Free up some space to live a little.
To share some good times with people.
Indulge in activities and discussions etc with the people in your life
that they enjoy. Give back some of the compassion, because compassion
has been there for you.


Check out the poem in Green, Arcanist Probation. You might like it. You might have already seen it.. :roll: I think what you mean by the last sentence is written in the checks/balances stanza.
Would it be safe to say you're an arcanist not on probation??
In my theories about that, acknowledgment from one is an initiation into the whole. It has already happened, this acknowledgment -- from others, but I tend to let that sort of thing fade.


Ya sure seems like you let alot of things faaaaadddddeeeeee, die out.
Don't tell me what you think I meant is the same thing you meant in some
god forsaken poetry, as if that could be the case. You run around here
going oh yeah, look heres that, oh yeah I know that, oh look at me,
yep I know that too. Lets make a clear distinction here.
Your knowledge and awareness is fascinating, but at the end of the
day, what are you doing with it? And how much of your knowledge
do you take responsibility for? Accumulating mass amounts of information
without a foundation of it meant to serve Love, will destroy, it will run
in circles, it will faaaadddeeeeeee, and for someone like you especially,
it will not produce what you want it to, as it is not in your best interest
or others, it is in conflict, in resistance, reluctant to serve anything
that is of the worlds design. It will at many times,
work against you. I have pointed this out to you, because it is
important. Like I said, remaining in uncertainty while accumulating and
accumulating, taking no accountability for your knowledge, not good.
Think of those things for your sake and others.

This mathematical TOE you have been working on for some time-
Oh now this is informations you are willing to take accountability
for I see. hmmmm yes. Rings right.


I can count on one hand with about two fingers removed how many people I'm nearly in a position to give care to directly (in the usual sense of the word directly).

Lets hope you don't get thrown into this in your lack of consideration for others.
For it to be dragged out. Take time for others, for others minds for their interests,
be there for them even in simple conversations. Go out a bit, live a little more.


Where do you get all this info from?

Lets just say, what has been in the back of your mind,
your assumptions are correct. Indeed.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:47 pm

Lets make a clear distinction here.
Your knowledge and awareness is fascinating, but at the end of the
day, what are you doing with it?


What do you think I should be doing with my knowledge?


And how much of your knowledge
do you take responsibility for?


What does it mean to take responsibility for knowledge?

Like I said, remaining in uncertainty while accumulating and
accumulating, taking no accountability for your knowledge, not good.


Accountability?
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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:55 pm

at1with0 wrote:Lets make a clear distinction here.
Your knowledge and awareness is fascinating, but at the end of the
day, what are you doing with it?


What do you think I should be doing with my knowledge?


And how much of your knowledge
do you take responsibility for?


What does it mean to take responsibility for knowledge?

Like I said, remaining in uncertainty while accumulating and
accumulating, taking no accountability for your knowledge, not good.


Accountability?


People that are around you, people here, people in your home life, people who have been in your life. What do you think they think of you....let me tell you because I already know.
You cannot know all the things you do and play dumb. People know, they are aware
of your awareness whether you understand that or not, and they know where their awareness fits into that, that often times you are aware of more informations. You thinking little of yourself is not taking responsibility for your informations, guess what that gives them...
It does not give them hope, it does not give them love, it does not give them peace,
it does not give them compassion. It keeps them at a certain frequency, because people like you
are spread out at a distance....this is changing more and more, where more people will be coming together as much more space has been freed up for this to happen.
However, start feeling genuinely good about yourself, confident, considerate,
take time to listen to others when you have the opportunity and do not give short
circuits by dumping everything you know at once... thats not being kind, patient, considerate,
loving, at times that is being selfish, you don't have room for that. You know what it would do to the average person if they sat down and read every frign writing youve written...words are triggers are they not? Would you give someone drugs for a month straight and then tell them good luck on the way down? What you should be doing with your knowledge is caring for yourself in the real sense. In any social situation, you should be very comfortable, if you are not, who in the heck else is going to be comfortable. Who else is going to be happy...etc etc
You have alot to give, infact its a new endless chapter.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
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Postby at1with0 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:44 pm

sandra wrote:People that are around you, people here, people in your home life, people who have been in your life.

..which wouldn't be very many. It seems as though you think I should be carrying people. Been there, done that. Where did that get me?? The best way to carry people is to let them carry themselves. Who carried me?

What do you think they think of you....let me tell you because I already know.

Why should I care?

You cannot know all the things you do and play dumb. People know, they are aware
of your awareness whether you understand that or not, and they know where their awareness fits into that, that often times you are aware of more informations. You thinking little of yourself is not taking responsibility for your informations, guess what that gives them...

Why is it so much about them? About what I can do for other people? What about me working on me for the moment? Lawd knows I need a lot of improvement. I certainly don't feel like some kind of oracle for people. Who would I be dispensing this information to anyway? I can think of one person who might be partially receptive. That's it.


It does not give them hope, it does not give them love, it does not give them peace,
it does not give them compassion.

Why is it up to me to give people these things? Are you assuming that my true nature is all touchy feely airy fairy pink cloud sort of thing? Have you not been paying attention?? Hey, it would be nice to accumulate wisdom if that were even possible and dispense it to people like a guru but like I said I've been there and done that and it's gotten me right here right now with you trying to tell me what I ought to be doing with my life and, sister, I don't let anyone else define for me what I am or what I should be doing. If I did, I'm shore there's a horde of people who think I ought to do different, and I would lose my will to live in trying to live up to other people's standards, like yours. Maybe I'm a lost cause you're wasting your time with. I do find it curious though, and there's more of course. Much more, in fact.

Give someone drugs for a month, I like that. It has happened, as you might know.
Not exactly nice, no, but it's who I was at the time.
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