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Postby Aquarian » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:06 pm

Sandra,

Have you ever tried DMT, or hallucinogens like shrooms, pcp, peyote, or shrooms? It's a serious question :)
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:12 pm

sandra wrote:You had alot more to add to that and you held out once again.
Play it safe play it safe play it safe. You get sick of that yet?



There definitely is a whole lot more to be said on my part. The reason I held out, though, is entirely different from what you think. The reason is much more mundane.

I plan on writing more.

I got sick of not playing it safe. I'll put it that way.
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:15 pm

Aquarian wrote:Sandra,

Have you ever tried DMT, or hallucinogens like shrooms, pcp, peyote, or shrooms? It's a serious question :)


I wonder what the effects of regular usage of dmt would be :roll:
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Postby Aquarian » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:31 pm

I don't know exactly what you mean to imply by that statement, but that was a serious question. I happen to hold an extremely positive view of those substances and how we can utilize them to disband egoism and help propagate oneness and connectedness with the universe in a profoundly spiritual way.
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:47 pm

Aquarian wrote:I don't know exactly what you mean to imply by that statement, but that was a serious question. I happen to hold an extremely positive view of those substances and how we can utilize them to disband egoism and help propagate oneness and connectedness with the universe in a profoundly spiritual way.


I wasn't being facetious, jovial, or sarcastic. I've tried dmt and it was a very memorable experience and it changed the course of my life to some extent. I remember feeling differently for a few days after using it. My guess? Regular usage of dmt would lead someone to live entirely in a different world which would translate into lowered function in the consensus reality.
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Postby Aquarian » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:56 pm

But a highered function in...INreality... ;)
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:02 pm

Aquarian wrote:But a highered function in...INreality... ;)


Regular usage might lead to that. The first and only time for me basically got my feet wet and set up a realization (or awareness one might say) that there is an INreality.
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:47 pm

Have you ever held a perception of yourself for much longer than
needed?


Yes. For one, the perception that I was defective. I'm not sure this qualifies since it wasn't a perception of myself that I needed.

Have you ever realized that those same perceptions
of yourself were projected onto others and possibly kept
a little longer than needed just the same?


None of it was ever needed.

And have you ever
thought that those thoughts kept things in a certain
time and place for yourself and for the others you thought of??


Yes. It's like an insidious infection of reason which is the liberation of soul. My focus determines my reality, as cliché as that might sound. Have you ever had the strong conviction that what's behind the stage is what's real? You're behind the stage I perceive at the moment, for the moment, and you will come back on stage and I'll interpret that event as reading the next post. It's all smoke and mirrors. I know I'm probably misinterpreting this but in QM, from what I understand, nothing exists until it is perceived. For me, it sometimes feels like an act of creation when I perceive something.


What about the others in your life that are not aware of themselves
in as much as you are of yourself? Where does their sense of change
come from? Their sense of trusting themselves, of loving themselves,
accepting themselves. Do you make enough assumptions?


I am the source of change (and sense of change, I suppose) in my life whether or not I realize and remember this at all times. It affects those who I perceive to be individuals not unlike a rock thrown into a lake has the affect upon the water. I make enough assumptions to make it through the day but when the chips are on the table, I make no assumptions, opening up every possibility. Presently the chips are still in my pocket.

Or are you a bit wreckless in your inability to accept responsibility
for your differences.


I'm in a comfy zone where I act like I am not different. It usually works. As I would unleash all of myself at all times, I have been trained to not do so. At times a stifling choice, of course but the reason I seek to appear to not show the differences too much is that I have been hurt after showing the differences. I lead a double life (or more than double maybe). I feel my mind is dulled by the act and it's not something that I consider anywhere close to the ideal situation in terms of revealing myself at every opportunity like some streaker; I would put all my thoughts on the table for display. Where did not holding back get me?

If some people don't it does them no favors
and it does no favors for the others around them. Confusion and chaos
has free roaming in negligence.


What exactly is neglected in this scenario?


It is ok to float in outer spaces
and realms but what strength and goodness is there in living
in two different worlds.


What strength and goodness is there in living in the consensus reality?

Your burdens are not for everyone, however
we have to share some of our inner imaginings and perceptions with people
in our lives without fear of rejection, of humiliation, or even of understanding.


Ah, like how you responded to my initial post. Kind of ironic. Are you saying this for me or for yourself?

Because there are no shortcuts around these things. We don't just internalize
everything and one day everyone understands us and accepts us.


If I depended on everyone's understanding and acceptance, I would probably lose my will to live. I learned a long time ago that understanding and acceptance (simultaneously) is simply a big ass long shot.

It is a merging, a gradual merging of realities and creation.
But for some of us in our home lives and daily life to live
in conflict with our own reality to everyone elses because
we can't be ourselves is selfishness and misunderstanding of
our own life and others.


A history lesson I understand all too well.


Even the deepest things of our heart
and mind is shared through the most simplest of conversations.


Yes. (How much more simple can it get than a one word answer?)

Its all omnipotent. However many people first go through a
process of trust acknowledgement acceptance and all that sh*t
of self realizations and interactions as they connect
first from the vulnerable realms of intuitive sharing etc etc etc.


The process can be difficult, yes. I wouldn't hazard to say that I proceeded through my process gracefully, exactly, but no one is keeping score but me.. I take that back. Maybe some people keep such a score. I don't know.

That help build a new foundation. So as some people keep everything to themselves, what they share omnipotently with others is that they keep everything to themselves.

What is the point in those people not keeping everything to themselves? Most people travel the path of least resistance though the quickest way to the summit is the steepest path, rather. My question is why should those people not keep themselves from "most people"?

They have little ability to be there for others and they barracade the things
that are meant to live the most, stalling time as life around them moves on
is not good for the mind nor for the health. See alot of that out there.


Sounds familiar.
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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:53 am

Aquarian wrote:Sandra,

Have you ever tried DMT, or hallucinogens like shrooms, pcp, peyote, or shrooms? It's a serious question :)


No I have not. Would I be open to an experience of any of them? Yes.
I'd most likely opt for the peyote.
Good questions though, as I do know many people who in the past have had great
experiences with shrooms etc

However all in all these drugs and these realms that are reached through them
are accessible through other means. Meaning the effect on a persons consciousness
etc. The effects are not limited to these psych drugs and of course would open up
different doors for each person.

What I like about you bringing this into the discussion is that -
There can always be a flipside to these things.
People have Tolerances.
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Postby sandra » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:59 am

Aquarian wrote:I don't know exactly what you mean to imply by that statement, but that was a serious question. I happen to hold an extremely positive view of those substances and how we can utilize them to disband egoism and help propagate oneness and connectedness with the universe in a profoundly spiritual way.


I'm a free supply of any psychedelic you could get your hands on. :lol: :mrgreen:
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