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Postby at1with0 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:19 am

The Greek Semicircle of mathematicians (and I daresay numerologists), having Pythagoras as its figurehead and primary teacher (one presumes), believed in a spiritual world.


When Pythagoras came to Croton, he founded a philosophical school called 'semicircle'. The school had many followers, but the inner circle of the school had smaller number of philosophers/mathematicians who were called mathematikoi . They lived as if they were in a monastery, having no private property and observing a number of strict rules. Among other things, they believed that
  • Nature and the whole reality has an underlying mathematical structure
  • That philosophy should be used for spiritual purification
  • That the soul which is pure can rise to experience the union with the divine
  • That certain symbols (including mathematical) have a mystical significance.


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Some remarks on the video:
The supernatural numbers are already called hypernatural numbers. They are "unlimited" numbers and not finite.

Cantor wanted to believe in an actual infinite existing in his set theory. He wanted there to be a highest level of infinity but Russell dispelled that notion with Russell's paradox. Since then, Quine and others have developed set theories with a maximally, absolutely infinite set.

The Ultimate court: "if I am sane, I will tell the truth, only the truth, however not all of the truth." (<--from the video) Sanity is often an issue with mathematicians. This whole post was inspired by a remark I made to greeney2 about what happens to some people who let God all the way in.

The number of provable theorems is countably infinite. The number of proofs is countably infinite. The number of true statements that lack proof is also countably infinite.

The vid also mentions pantheism briefly.

United with his fellow-men by the strongest of all ties, the tie of a common doom, the free man finds that a new vision is with him always, shedding over every daily task the light of love. The life of Man is a long march through the night, surrounded by invisible foes, tortured by weariness and pain, towards a goal that few can hope to reach, and where none may tarry long. One by one, as they march, our comrades vanish from our sight, seized by the silent orders of omnipotent Death. Very brief is the time in which we can help them, in which their happiness or misery is decided. Be it ours to shed sunshine on their path, to lighten their sorrows by the balm of sympathy, to give them the pure joy of a never-tiring affection, to strengthen failing courage, to instil faith in hours of despair. Let us not weigh in grudging scales their merits and demerits, but let us think only of their need -- of the sorrows, the difficulties, perhaps the blindnesses, that make the misery of their lives; let us remember that they are fellow-sufferers in the same darkness, actors in the same tragedy as ourselves. And so, when their day is over, when their good and their evil have become eternal by the immortality of the past, be it ours to feel that, where they suffered, where they failed, no deed of ours was the cause; but wherever a spark of the divine fire kindled in their hearts, we were ready with encouragement, with sympathy, with brave words in which high courage glowed.
-- Bertrand Russell,



Russell was the one who may have convinced Cantor that the God he had envisioned as the linchpin in his set theory does not exist. For Cantor, his study of the infinite was theology.

Thinking of math as theology or as a way to actually understand reality is not at all new. These particular forms of pantheism are at least as old as the Pythagoreans in the Semicircle society.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:18 am

Yes..Indeed.

This system is still with us today. And it worships "The Good God" under a system of logic and reason of men. It has left it's hand on history and particularly since the "Age of Enlightenment"

Pythagoras, Euclid, and others are among those admired and followed in this religious system.

This system has been at a quiet war with other systems unto this very day.

Under logic and reason of men it runs most things in most western nations quietly behind the scenes...unseen and unknown by those it intends to control.

The other name for "The Good God" is "Lucifer."

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Postby at1with0 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:00 am

http://www.israelofgod.org/lucifer.htm

The mention of Lucifer (bringer of light) is quite possibly misleading. The mathematician's God isn't what is classically understood to be Lucifer or Satan.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:54 pm

I am not using the word Lucifer in the context of what you are describing from the Book of Isaiah.

I am using the Word and description of Lucifer as used in these other religions..as the Good God.

Among men of logic and reason..wise men..sophists...adepts.

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Postby at1with0 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:01 pm

orangetom1999 wrote:I am not using the word Lucifer in the context of what you are describing from the Book of Isaiah.

I am using the Word and description of Lucifer as used in these other religions..as the Good God.

Among men of logic and reason..wise men..sophists...adepts.

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The force is strong with you orangetom.

I trust you already realized some of the spirit behind the word Lucifer before I linked to that article and knowingly used the word Lucifer to somehow paint an ugly picture of their pictures of God. Or maybe I'm projecting :P

Your remarks remind me of Crowley's A.A. group with the titles of ranks therein.

Where do gnostics and freemasons fit into all of this?
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:03 am

at1with0,

The force is strong with you orangetom.

I trust you already realized some of the spirit behind the word Lucifer before I linked to that article and knowingly used the word Lucifer to somehow paint an ugly picture of their pictures of God. Or maybe I'm projecting :P

Your remarks remind me of Crowley's A.A. group with the titles of ranks therein.

Where do Gnostic's and Freemasons fit into all of this?


Very astute of you a1with0. Also excellent questions you have asked at the end of your last post. Not something one would learn in public schools.

For this kind of thinking would require one to think outside the box of public school and into this arena and is not desired for the profane to travel unescorted or uninvited.

The Freemasons are Gnostics...though they are not the only ones. They are the wise men..the sophists..descended from the Magi of olde times.

As to Crowley...I believe you are speaking of Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley was a Freemason. 95 degree OTO and 33rd degree Scottish Rite.
People who enter these groups can go several routes to their "Knowledge/Wisdom."

Some choose only to go into the Fraternity and never take it any further than the social grouping. Others go further...and some way into the deep esoteric arenas of these studies. Such a person was not only Aleister Crowley but before him Albert Pike.

Here from Albert Pike...and the Good God..Lucifer.

http://www.christian-restoration.com/fm ... quotes.htm

I have several of his books in my private library including Morals and Dogma which is often quoted in lessons like this link.

I have had conversations with Freemasons and asked some of them a series of questions on the reality of this world with startling results two different times.
The results are quite startling if you are capable fo thinking outside the box of public education...as to the real status of this world.

This is another reason I am often given to say ..that there is much ignorance among my Christian Brethren about almost everything and anything...including Christianity and the Bible.

Buy the way...The RCC is just such a gnostic group as well. It too is the very Nicolaitanism about which the Lord speaks in his Word which He says He hates.
They are not the only group like this. There are others.

There are junior groups in Freemasonry in which early grooming is done and at a later date certain people who are watched over carefully..are invited to join the big boys. The Boy Scouts are just such an group..from there into groups lke the Tall Cedars and others. So too are the Royal Ambassadors..in the Baptist Churches. Most in these groups have no idea this is going on...or that this is a recruiting ground. Many are passed over...but enough are chosen.
Rainbow Girls another.

Early grooming into the Gnostic Religions. For you see at1with0...the Gnostics are still with us today. And many of them are in public offices across this land.

Remember one of the Bush Presidents with his "Thousand Points of Light?" I knew exactly what he was speaking of when he said it.

Same thing with olde W Bush when I saw him speaking of his faith...that he believed in a "Supreme Being."
I knew right there that he was not speaking of the God of the Bible...but the Good god. This was code speak designed to clue in only the adepts schooled in the language..and not the profane.

These are just patterns on which you teach yourself to pick up upon once you find you can get past public school thinking.

The Word teaches us to learn the patterns of things in Heaven and things on the earth..not to be ignorant.

I hold little stock in the current crop of candidates...democrat or republican. My first question for all of them is ...to what lodge to they belong??

By the way...there is a long standing feud or struggle between some of these Gnostic groups. There is a long standing struggle and disagreement between the Catholic groups and the non Catholic groups going back centuries and still going on today. The public or profane is kept ignorant of it but it is still out there.

It goes back to the time of the Enlightenment and before.



All this is very interesting to me until finally, after years of watching and studying this pattern, I was able to discern the objective of groups like this.

The intent is to replace the followers of God...after the line of Issac..with the world religion..after the followers of Ishmael...after the good god..Lucifer.

To replace the children of the free woman Issac/Sarah with the children of the bondwoman Ishmael/Hagar. To put us all in bondage to the good god.

Thanks for some excellent questions.

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Postby humphreys » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:32 am

orangetom1999 wrote:at1with0,

The force is strong with you orangetom.

I trust you already realized some of the spirit behind the word Lucifer before I linked to that article and knowingly used the word Lucifer to somehow paint an ugly picture of their pictures of God. Or maybe I'm projecting :P

Your remarks remind me of Crowley's A.A. group with the titles of ranks therein.

Where do Gnostic's and Freemasons fit into all of this?


Very astute of you a1with0. Also excellent questions you have asked at the end of your last post. Not something one would learn in public schools.

For this kind of thinking would require one to think outside the box of public school and into this arena and is not desired for the profane to travel unescorted or uninvited.

The Freemasons are Gnostics...though they are not the only ones. They are the wise men..the sophists..descended from the Magi of olde times.

As to Crowley...I believe you are speaking of Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley was a Freemason. 95 degree OTO and 33rd degree Scottish Rite.
People who enter these groups can go several routes to their "Knowledge/Wisdom."

Some choose only to go into the Fraternity and never take it any further than the social grouping. Others go further...and some way into the deep esoteric arenas of these studies. Such a person was not only Aleister Crowley but before him Albert Pike.

Here from Albert Pike...and the Good God..Lucifer.

http://www.christian-restoration.com/fm ... quotes.htm

I have several of his books in my private library including Morals and Dogma which is often quoted in lessons like this link.

I have had conversations with Freemasons and asked some of them a series of questions on the reality of this world with startling results two different times.
The results are quite startling if you are capable fo thinking outside the box of public education...as to the real status of this world.

This is another reason I am often given to say ..that there is much ignorance among my Christian Brethren about almost everything and anything...including Christianity and the Bible.

Buy the way...The RCC is just such a gnostic group as well. It too is the very Nicolaitanism about which the Lord speaks in his Word which He says He hates.
They are not the only group like this. There are others.

There are junior groups in Freemasonry in which early grooming is done and at a later date certain people who are watched over carefully..are invited to join the big boys. The Boy Scouts are just such an group..from there into groups lke the Tall Cedars and others. So too are the Royal Ambassadors..in the Baptist Churches. Most in these groups have no idea this is going on...or that this is a recruiting ground. Many are passed over...but enough are chosen.
Rainbow Girls another.

Early grooming into the Gnostic Religions. For you see at1with0...the Gnostics are still with us today. And many of them are in public offices across this land.

Remember one of the Bush Presidents with his "Thousand Points of Light?" I knew exactly what he was speaking of when he said it.

Same thing with olde W Bush when I saw him speaking of his faith...that he believed in a "Supreme Being."
I knew right there that he was not speaking of the God of the Bible...but the Good god. This was code speak designed to clue in only the adepts schooled in the language..and not the profane.

These are just patterns on which you teach yourself to pick up upon once you find you can get past public school thinking.

The Word teaches us to learn the patterns of things in Heaven and things on the earth..not to be ignorant.

I hold little stock in the current crop of candidates...democrat or republican. My first question for all of them is ...to what lodge to they belong??

By the way...there is a long standing feud or struggle between some of these Gnostic groups. There is a long standing struggle and disagreement between the Catholic groups and the non Catholic groups going back centuries and still going on today. The public or profane is kept ignorant of it but it is still out there.

It goes back to the time of the Enlightenment and before.



All this is very interesting to me until finally, after years of watching and studying this pattern, I was able to discern the objective of groups like this.

The intent is to replace the followers of God...after the line of Issac..with the world religion..after the followers of Ishmael...after the good god..Lucifer.

To replace the children of the free woman Issac/Sarah with the children of the bondwoman Ishmael/Hagar. To put us all in bondage to the good god.

Thanks for some excellent questions.

Orangetom


Wow! Public school education???? :shock:
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Lots of interesting stuff, OT.

What would you say your relationship with Lucifer is? Is there only one Lucifer? Why was Satan made out to be Lucifer and didn't some people call Jesus Lucifer (bringer of light), back in the day?
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:06 pm

at1with0 wrote:Lots of interesting stuff, OT.

What would you say your relationship with Lucifer is? Is there only one Lucifer? Why was Satan made out to be Lucifer and didn't some people call Jesus Lucifer (bringer of light), back in the day?


Luciferians are adversarial to what I Believe. To the Faith....note here I am using capital letters..not lower case.

It is the same with Satanists. However...

The distinction between Satanists and Luciferians from the Luciferian point of view..the Adepts...is that Satinists are junior league wannabes. Kindergarden stuff. Luciferian is a more refined grown up version.

Once learned the movement is ususally from Satanic stuff to the Luciferian leagues. The true esoteric stuff is to be found in Luciferianism..not Satanism.
Satinists generally are so open even crude with their beiefs...not subtle.
Luciferians are much more refined...they go to our schools..are often even teachers...are our leaders ..in our churches..et al. They are leaders in high offices in our hospitals...in coroners offices. et al. Anything with an official capacity ..particular record keeping ..data..is likely to be in the hands and control of Luciferians.
They dress like the rest of us...eat in the same places...visit the library's ...et al. You would be hard pressed to know they were even there.
But they are of the counterfeiter in their beliefs and practices and you would never know it unless you were very very astute and perceptive. But make no mistake..they are under an oath and must carry out the oath when called upon. This is a very important facet of this seduction/business.


From the Christain view or from Believers who know...mind you now..most do not....the view is that Lucifer..is the title of the office...the accuser of the Bretheren.
With his fall..he is now Satan and has lost the office.

Nonetheless....I have had this stated to me about the Good god. And when I let this individual know that I knew the name of this god...they were shocked and said no more.

The terms ..Supreme Being, good god, and some others are used so as not to publically state the name Lucifer.

I have had some of these adepts tell me that I know nothing about the good god. Most of them think that outsiders or the profane have no idea..and mostly they are correct. But this computer is helping some to spread the word.

Hope this helps at1with0.

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Postby bionic » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:31 am

as you may or may not know..I am an expereincer.
one of my most MAJOR experiences was an up close and personal encounter with a huge black, triangular UFO..this was before people were seeing them all over the place..1987..
It was right above me and it had green lights, that cast a green glow everywhere..the lights were set up in a bowling pin pattern.
I later learned it was the Tetractys
http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/p-articles/tetractis.php

I believe they were sending me a message that I was suppsoe to pass on to..someone..who would know what to do with it

i know..crazy..but feel it is my duty..so..whatever
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