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Postby humphreys » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:50 am

greeney2 wrote:You are a hard nut to crack Humphreys. LIke it or not you were making an analogy, the gambler had Faith because he knows winning the Jackpot is real, not imagined.


He knows winning the jackpot is real, but he has faith he personally will win it, and that faith is irrational (not based on solid evidence). Because the faith is misplaced there is a great chance he will be wrong and lose everything.

Conviction or faith does not equal correctness.

It's pretty simple, Disson8or got it, but if you wanna just focus on the jackpot being real "issue" and miss the actual point, that's your choice.
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Postby event_horizon » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:01 am

If "Heaven" is real, I'd say the odds of greeney hitting the jackpot are about the same as winning the lottery.
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:52 am

Having Faith in God, and Believing in God, are not gambling, with mathmatical known odds.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:25 pm

"All perception is gamble." - Robert Anton Wilson
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:26 am

humphreys wrote:
at1with0 wrote:How can there be dreams without a dreamworld?


They are imaginary, this is not South Park, Imagination Land is not real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCwTTfPr9k

If you believe in imaginary things, I think that might explain your theistic tendencies.



From page 39 of this thread.

This is a movie and television education ...it is also politic. What it is not is scientific nor intelligent. But it is politic.

In summary ..it is a public education non standard. And the body politic is now days grasping at straws to make the imaginary look real by emotional crisis manaagement and the new standard....by default. But this is easy to do with people who primarily have a movie and television education in altered states.

I never watch South Park or any other of that genre...for that reason.


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Postby at1with0 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:30 am

DIss0n80r wrote:
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DIss0n80r wrote:The dreamer may just be dreaming, not entering another world.


Dreamworld is the "place" the dreamer is in when s/he is dreaming.


No it isn't.



It is by the definition of what the dreamworld is.

Dreams exist. The dreamer exists. Dreams are real.

You can't prove you're not dreaming right now. If you're dreaming right now, then planet earth does not exist by your rationale. By my rationale, even if I am dreaming right now, planet earth still exists, at least as a dream.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:28 am

Word games. What is a dream? What is dreaming?

I can't prove a lot of things. That doesn't mean Narnia must exist.
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Postby humphreys » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:55 am

orangetom1999 wrote:
humphreys wrote:
at1with0 wrote:How can there be dreams without a dreamworld?


They are imaginary, this is not South Park, Imagination Land is not real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCwTTfPr9k

If you believe in imaginary things, I think that might explain your theistic tendencies.



From page 39 of this thread.

This is a movie and television education ...it is also politic. What it is not is scientific nor intelligent. But it is politic.

In summary ..it is a public education non standard. And the body politic is now days grasping at straws to make the imaginary look real by emotional crisis manaagement and the new standard....by default. But this is easy to do with people who primarily have a movie and television education in altered states.

I never watch South Park or any other of that genre...for that reason.


Orangetom


You're boring, dull, have no sense of humour, and seem to be proud of it.

Congratulations, I guess.
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Postby humphreys » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:55 am

DIss0n80r wrote:Word games. What is a dream? What is dreaming?

I can't prove a lot of things. That doesn't mean Narnia must exist.


I have realized that every argument at1 makes is some sort of word game, he enjoys messing with people, I think.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:00 am

Definitions should be easy for such a critical thinker, take the word Faith forinstance!!!!!!!!!! :P
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