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## Logic and knowing

In this forum, questions are asked which are really tough to answer. Some philosophical, some regarding morality and many others. Have fun, and post your own personal tough questions!

## Re: Logic and knowing

at1
hmmf..
when refering a post to me I would prefer if you prefaced it with, "bionic".

examples
bionic,
you are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me...

bionic,
I do so love dream diving with you

bionic,
stop, don't stop

bionic,
you are so illogically, logical..or..was that logically, illogical?

poor Chris..he needs to come back and get this thread back on trakc
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
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bionic

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## Re: Logic and knowing

A lot can be said of unstructured free-form flow. There have been studies done on it and everything.
I personally love the direction my thread has taken.

But having said that, if I may be so bold, let me say something that is on topic. Truth and its relationship to logic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarski%27s ... ty_theorem
Tarski's undefinability theorem, stated and proved by Alfred Tarski in 1936, is an important limitative result in mathematical logic, the foundations of mathematics, and in formal semantics. Informally, the theorem states that arithmetical truth cannot be defined in arithmetic.

The theorem applies more generally to any sufficiently strong formal system, showing that truth in the standard model of the system cannot be defined within the system.

Tarski, for those who don't know, was a giant in the field of logic in the first half of the 20th century when lots of interesting facts about logic were being discovered.

I don't understand the proof of this theorem but, intuitively, it makes a lot of sense given that "truth tables" are somewhere in there and using the letters T and F in a truth table does not define what truth is.
"it is easy to grow crazy"

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## Re: Logic and knowing

you are just trying to get me excited with all that smart talk
(allow me my illusions)

for some reason Stephen Colbert and his term, "truthiness" come to mind
Did you notice the "Truth!" in the upper left hand corner of this board? I didn't until today. (maybe that is what got you on this subjet?)

Seems there are levels, layers of truth
lower levels of truth, testimony..that has a-lot to do with perpective
it's that "eternal truth" thing that can get really fuzzy, though
objective reality (as if there is one)
it's all subjective, really it seems, to me
some thigns just seem more objective..that's just because they are more agreed upon
er
i think
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

bionic

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Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

## Re: Logic and knowing

bionic wrote:Seems there are levels, layers of truth
lower levels of truth, testimony..that has a-lot to do with perpective
it's that "eternal truth" thing that can get really fuzzy, though
objective reality (as if there is one)
it's all subjective, really it seems, to me
some thigns just seem more objective..that's just because they are more agreed upon
er
i think

I think there's good stuff in there.
"it is easy to grow crazy"

at1with0

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## Re: Logic and knowing

We might have to settle for true enough.

btw at1, sorry about the jumbled mess I left in response to your post in the test thread. I took some cold medicine earlier and its messing wit me. Inarticulate? Me?
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

DIss0n80r

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## Re: Logic and knowing

You're doing fine.

The stuff I'm telling you they don't normally tell math majors until their 4th year, give or take.
"it is easy to grow crazy"

at1with0

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## Re: Logic and knowing

NOW I FEEL LIKE A GEENYUS!!
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

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## Re: Logic and knowing

everybody's a "genius" in one way or another..everybody has mad skill potentials of one sort or another..everyone has value....

Let God love you, DD, it really wants to

logistics
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

bionic

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Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

## Re: Logic and knowing

I disagree.
"it is easy to grow crazy"

at1with0

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## Re: Logic and knowing

really..do you take your car to a mechanic?
My son has autism..he is a "retard"
he see's things most nromal people miss
you're a snob..wiht your fine, fancy wine... that you only like so much cause' it looks like blood
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

bionic

Posts: 9889
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

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