En-Lugal wrote:That's your problem, right there. There was no attack on Christianity.
Yes it was. And a false one.
You thought wrong.
Nope. You made a large number of false statements, and it's completely reasonable for any respondent to ask they be addressed one at a time. But when I asked, you got angry and pitched a fit, which has continued ever since.
The only one getting defensive is you. You also blew off the original post, you replied to.
Nope, I haven't displayed the least
bit of defensiveness, and I didn't blow off the post... I addressed it in its entirety.
All you had to do was dispute what I said, you know, in that post you quoted but completely ignored?
Your claims are so severely detached from reality, I am wondering whether to take you serious. The rules of argument and debate are very clear. If someone claims something to be true--in that case it would be you--and another person takes issue with it--that would be me--then the original person has to back up
the claim with facts and argument. Hence the common phrase, "The onus is upon the claimant." You are the claimant. I made crystal clear what my issues were with your initial, bogus claim, and since that time you've done nothing to prove your claim and have spent 2 long-winded posts berating me, attacking my character, and making completely unprovoked, unnecessary smug, snide remarks.
No, you decided to be petty and try to lay out ground rules and frame a debate around the meaning of Christian faith. Which is totally irrelevant, by the way.
And there you go again. How was I being petty by simply taking issue with your claim that the Christian faith is rooted in Paganism? And how is the meaning of Christian faith irrelevant when you made a claim centered squarely upon that very thing? Is this amateur hour, or what.
Since you like to assume, would it have helped if I'd said, "The Christian religion
is so deeply rooted in Paganism I don't understand how most don't see it."? I'm guessing no, because then we wouldn't have that oh so important framed debate you're itching for.
My goodness, what a chip on your shoulder. Of course it makes all the difference in the world, and I have already addressed your corrected statement. I asked--which is completely fair--that you back up your claim with some facts, and said I would prefer that your argument be in your own words rather than what we usually get around here which is a copy/paste job from some anti-Christian website. I've been on this website for about 12 years now, and I've seen it all. Ask around, and the folks here will tell you; the vast majority of arguments against Christianity are backed up by super long copy/pastes from websites. I'm trying to avoid that because it doesn't make for meaningful debate when 1 person is taking 10 seconds to copy and paste 50 bullet points from a website, while the other one has to laboriously address each point in their own words, else "lose" the argument. I thought I would just go ahead and put it out there, so as to avoid that scenario. Here is a fact for you: Your choice of words was either poor, or, you should have the evidence to back up your claim readily available in your own words. Remember: You didn't just claim that some Christian beliefs are likely related to Paganism. No. You basically said it was so obvious that my religion is rooted in Paganism, that it baffles you that anyone
would disagree with you. You placed so much emphasis on how obvious it is, that you raised the stakes. If, in defending your argument, you are forced to run to websites and do a copy/paste hit job, then by default you are demonstrating your claim is not near as obvious as you made it out to be.
If that were true you wouldn't have bothered to respond in the first place.
True. I never claimed to be very smart. In fact, I feel dumber than I already was--if that's possible--for trying this one last time to engage you. I don't know, call it intiution, or maybe it's dé ja vu, but I get this sneaking feeling that all I've done by addressing you point by point again, is exacerbate a useless back-and-forth, with the net result being wasted time and zero progress.
You're awfully arrogant and prideful, that is your undoing.
Right. And you are humble, innocent, gentle, and peaceful... and when asked, you support your claims with facts, rather than divert the discussion by attempting to assassinate the other's character.
And now that all that bs is behind us. I'll say 1 last time. You made a claim that the Christian "religion" or beliefs, or doctrine, or whatever... is so clearly rooted in Paganism that it is strange that so many people don't see it.
I deny your claim and now ask that you prove it. Until you do
, your claim is, by default, precisely as described: HOLLOW.
And I'll add the following: baseless, pointless, meaningless, contrived, weak, unsupported, and ignorant.
(now if that doesn't coax you into taking a couple minutes to support your claim, then nothing will