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Postby SWRanger » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:02 pm

Initiative would let illegal immigrants work in Calif. legally

Posted: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:00 am | Comments

SACRAMENTO, Calif.-Nearly 1 million undocumented immigrants could live and work openly in California with little or no fear of deportation under an initiative unveiled Friday by a state legislator and others.

Assemblyman Felipe Fuentes, a Democrat, is helping spearhead the measure, called the California Opportunity and Prosperity Act.

The proposal was filed Friday with the state Attorney General's Office, marking a first step toward a drive to collect the 504,760 voter signatures needed to qualify for the ballot.

Fuentes called the measure a "moderate, common-sense approach" necessitated by the federal government's inability to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

"I hope this shows Washington, D.C., that if they fail to act, California will take the lead on this critical issue," Fuentes said in a written statement.

Supporters say the initiative could generate up to $325 million in new tax revenue from undocumented workers that could assist education, public safety and other state programs.

Regardless whether Californians would support such a measure, implementation would depend upon the federal government agreeing not to prosecute participants. :lol:

Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Republican, blasted the proposal as an attempt to sidestep immigration law. He predicted that it wouldn't have a "snowball's chance in hell" of winning voter approval. :shh:

"There's a proper process for coming to this country," Donnelly said. "Why don't you respect that?" :wall:

The proposed initiative would apply to illegal immigrants who have lived in California for four years, have no felony convictions, are not suspected terrorists, pay a fee to administer the program, and can speak English or are learning it.

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Postby greeney2 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:14 pm

I'd say one way or another, they are here working now regardless.

The law is a funny thing, and even if the voters vote in an issue, it can be struck down as unconstitutional. There is a standard in our laws that you hear about, on all the day time court shows. The requires you have "clean hands" to recover from someone. The example is a drug dealer sells cocaine to someone who doesn't pay them, so the drug dealers sues for payment. Under our laws, one can not sue for something with unclean hands, such as selling drugs is illegal. Its pretty much a standard in every state and federal law.

It would be unconstitutional IMHO, and against our basic premise of law regarding clean hands to pass a law that ignores a current felony. They can not pass a State law, to protect or guarentee the right to work, of people who are federal fugitives to begin with. You would be allowing people "wanted" for illegal entry into the country, to be issued with amnesty, a Social Security Card for taxes to be withheld. A state election can not vote amnesty to a federal law.

Living a 4 year life free of crime, except entering illegally, is not a justification of anything. That person, here for 4 years working, has also failed to file income tax, with the Federal or state Government and have evaded income tax for 4 years. They in many cases fraudulently enroll their kids in our schools, and use county hospitals. Income Tax Evasion is a crime, so now it is 2 crimes we are overlooking. Illegal entry into the USA, and Income Tax Evasion. They are actually worse than Al Capone, who was sent to prison for tax evasion, but even Al's Mother an Father entered the country legally, as legal immigrants.
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Postby bionic » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:40 pm

If they a made to pay taxes like the rest of us, it could sve California. The fact that they didn't before is what was seriously draining Californias budget. They were allowed the stuff that taxes paid for, education, healthcare etc..but not have to pay for it. At least this way they also pay for it.

Please remember that California was Mexico at one point, is is part of this states heritage. (and there are still some deep seated resentments there,and a sense of ownership, over that)
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Postby SWRanger » Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:18 pm

I'd love them to pay taxes to offset the costs of Unemployment amongst African Americans and other Citizens here legally due to their usage by greedy business owners.

Also they should be subject to Selective Service and upon completion of Military Service eligible for Citizenship :problem:
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:59 pm

I do not think legal aliens are subject to the selective service, they should not be. They are here as legal guests, even if it is for work reasons. If they become citizens they would have to register for the Selective Service system, but we have not drafted since the early 70's. So the jobs are still up for you to apply for SWR. Potato peeler, or latrine cleaner, you pick.
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