OraProNobis wrote:Below is one of the latest messages from Our Blessed Mother to one of the visionaries , and is proof that Satan indeed exists, and how he wishes for souls to NOT believe he even exists/
If that's what constitutes proof of Satan's existence for you, it makes sense to me why you'd find it so easy to believe in other ridiculous things.
OraProNobis wrote:Excuse me, it is satan who tortures souls in hells for all eternity. It is God who suffered and got beaten, tortured, lied about, and crucified, to save us from that.
Who created Satan? Who created the rules which allow unbelievers to get handed over to Satan for torturing, for mere unbelief?
If I create a robot who goes out and kills those I deem unworthy, aren't I at least a little
responsible for those getting killed? If I even own a dog who hurts another I'd consider myself partly responsible.
Your defense of the indefensible here is laughable.
OraProNobis wrote:God wishes no souls to perish in hell, and that is why He explicitly asks ALL believers to pray for the conversion of souls.
What do you think the prayer is supposed to accomplish? If it's a request for God to force conversion on the unbeliever, then he'd just do it anyway, without your prayer.
If God wished no souls to perish, no souls would perish, it's as simple as that.
He is all-powerful, remember?
OraProNobis wrote:He gave us free will , and if souls decide with that free will to refuse His love and mercy, He will not interfere.
I have refused nothing. Lacking belief is not refusal of God.
I have absolutely no good reason to believe this contradictory being you keep telling me about exists. Unless you or someone else can provide me with compelling evidence, you need to retract your statement that I have refused anything.
OraProNobis wrote:So Humphreys, it is souls themselves who choose Hell,
Let me tell you about Bob. Bob is the real God. Not the God written about in your silly Bible, he is the God written about in the great book of Bob - the only true Bible.
I am Bob's helper. If you give over all your money to me, and hand your soul over to Bob, he will spare you. However, being such a great and fair guy, Bob has created another being called Jeff. Jeff is a bad guy, and if you don't give me your money, he comes round your house and smacks you about a bit.
doesn't want Jeff to get you, so he desperately wants you to give me all your money.
In the scenario I have created, please answer me three questions:
1) Is Bob a good guy?
2) Should you give me your money?
3) Do you deserve to get smacked around by Jeff if you don't?
The religion you want me to buy into is far sicker and more outrageous than the example I have just given you, so if you don't buy into the ridiculousness of Bob and Jeff, please understand why I stick two fingers up to your own brand of nonsense.
OraProNobis wrote:You really think it matters to me what your opinion is of me?
If I matter so little to you, why don't you sod off and stop praying and babbling your insanity at me?
You are the worst kind of believer, because you only spout dogma and rehash other people's ideas, and make no attempt to apply any logic to them. Because of this, you will never learn. You are a religions drone, no more. Indoctrinated, brainwashed, and intellectually ruined - a hopeless case.
"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."
- Sam Harris