gudskepteacal wrote:While I do not share orangetom's vociferousness against pro Palestinian points of view, it seems if rockets were not incoming from Gaza there would be no inflated casualty rate to rail against. Israel does not actively target areas of high innocent civilians and the HAMAS-P.A. integrated govt. is a band of cowards for using children as human shields. Those opposed; what kill ratio would be right, for right here right now?
It is not about rockets per se...but also I can remember when people in Israel were going about their daily business and lives while getting on a public bus to have it blown up and their lives lost. I don't agree with this as well.
This same pattern eventually spread to England and London if I remember the pattern and history. It is coming here to America..and I don't agree with it. I don't have to be particularly smart to figure out this pattern of operation.
At the same time .. I know enough history to remember that it was the Jews who blew up the King David Hotel in 1946 where the British housed their officer corps. This was Menachem Begin's group the Irgun. If the Jews want to resort to the type of terrorism that the Palestinians are doing ..they can do quiet well at it. Their ability to do this terror goes all the way back to the Ancient Romans and for whom they caused a lot of grief..until the Romans tired of it and destroyed the Jewish land, kingdom and temple by 70 ad under Titus Caesar. The Jews are not strangers to terrorist tactics. That is my point..about not taking the gloves off on the parts of the Jews. Most people in their provincialness do not remember or know this history. The Jews can do this quite well if they so choose.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
These loosely affiliated mafia type gangs for profit latter became what is today the IDF. Get a clue people.
My point in all this "Victimization " nonsense is that if the Israelis wanted to go this route..they are quite familiar with it and can easily take the gloves off..and go bare-knuckled. They have a lot of experience and pedigree in it going back to the Ancient Romans and before.
It was bad news in Jerusalem for a Roman soldier alone to be caught drunk about town..they were likely to be robbed and their throat cut. The Romans tired of this conduct by the Jewish factions. You can find some of the history of these Jewish gangs and zealots fighting amongst themselves..in Flavius Josephus and his account of what happened just before the Romans arrived and during the siege of Jerusalem for three and a half years.
What the Romans found when they entered the City of Jerusalem...after the siege of three and a half years which sent them berserk enough to destroy the city and the temple.
Once again..if the Jews wanted to fight like do the Palestinians today..it would be a very different war/conflict.
At the same time ...find out ..if you do not know...what is the Sampson Option. To learn about disproportionate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
The intent of the Israelis is that if they are about to be overrun..they are going to nuke everyone and everything and take everyone with them..including themselves..as did Sampson in bringing down the temple with all the Philistines and himself.
Before they had the "Sampson Option" of nuclear weapons..they had the "Masada Option" where they planned to commit suicide rather than be overrun as is the history against the Romans in the siege of Masada.
They are not going back into the camps nor do they intend to be slaughtered as in history past. I believe they will carry this out...this "Sampson Option. I do not believe this is a bluff.
I believe they have teams of people specially dedicated and specially trained/qualified..to remove their weapons, deliver them, arm them. I also believe they intend to settle olde scores if it comes to this..meaning some places in Europe are targeted...and they can deliver these weapons by submarine launched cruise missile.
If you think this is idle talk...I know that in the 1970s when the Yom Kippur War took place and the Israelis were caught by surprise on the Yom Kippur Holiday..they were in fact on their way to carry out the Sampson Option. They were arming these weapons and our own leadership knew this...under Richard Nixon.
It was Richard Nixon who made the decision to expediently deliver arms to Israel to turn the tide ...not for victory -per se..but to prevent nuclear war on the part of the Israelis. Very few people today know that Richard Nixon prevented a Nuclear War. He is only remembered in the history books for the Watergate Scandal.
But I know this history and what he did.
I was in those days stationed with the US Air Force in Keflavik, Iceland and we were gearing up for the arrival of brand new F4 E model Phantom fighters..from the factory assembly lines at McDonald Douglas Aircraft. We were overnight told to pack up our mock up gear and tech manuals..they were being put on Jet transports and going to Israel.
Israel got our new jet fighters...and we got ten year olde worn out airplanes from a training base in Arizona.
Someone out there knew the Israelis were not bluffing....and worked hard to prevent a nuclear holocaust.
I do not believe for one minute that we have such intelligence in leadership positions today.
It is obvious that we have political expediency today..not leadership or leaders..and I mean both political parties.
Keep thinking what you are thinking gudskeptical...sooner of later that whole area is going to be a glass parking lot.
Particularly with the ignorance fostered by psuedo intelligence and drama queens today..verses real knowledge and information's....even History.
I don't have a dog in this fight..not interested. I stated that I am not pro Israel..nor am I pro Palestinian.
I am anti ignorance.
There is something going on here..much much bigger than what you see and hear in the news. Something no one wants us to know or even to be be aware . Our leadership and the news media are in on the ignorance and it is carefully cultivated to keep us ignorant.
Think..do not emote here.
What on earth do you think Benjamin Netanyahu is saying when he tells our own President and leadership not to "Second Guess Him??" Why would anyone ever want that office and responsibility...24/7?? The responsibility of carrying out the Sampson Option..or even in the olde days..the Masada Option.
Remember Benjamin Netanyahu..lost his brother, Yonatan Netanyahu, in the Entebbe raid back in 1976 to get back/Rescue Jews from the Hijacking to Uganda of that airliner. Do you think for one minute that he has any illusions about this responsibilities???
Think..Don't emote. Someone has spent a lot of time and monies to put people on the emotional bandwagon and has obviously been very successful at it. I just don't buy into it ..on either side.
Thanks to all for their posts,