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Postby at1with0 » Fri May 04, 2012 9:00 am

If you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, your choice is one that you did not desire.
As D is saying, what if your available choices are all bad?
"it is easy to grow crazy"
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri May 04, 2012 2:48 pm

We can't choose the circumstances of our birth either, like our race or having a parent who is an alcoholic or schizophrenic. We can choose how we respond, perhaps...

Or maybe there are other factors we don't control which affect how we react.

Or maybe we do choose the circumstances of our birth?
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Postby khanster » Sat May 05, 2012 9:09 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:We can't choose the circumstances of our birth either, like our race or having a parent who is an alcoholic or schizophrenic. We can choose how we respond, perhaps...

Or maybe there are other factors we don't control which affect how we react.

Or maybe we do choose the circumstances of our birth?


Our freedom, and thus our free will, has limits. Circumstances dictate that some beings are more limited than others.

The internet is a source of great knowledge, and ultimately more freedom. There are those who seek to limit such freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Inte ... ection_Act

The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) is a proposed law in the United States which would allow for the sharing of internet traffic information between the U.S. government and certain technology and manufacturing companies. The stated aim of the bill is to help the U.S Government investigate cyber threats and ensure the security of networks against cyber attack.[

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Some critics saw CISPA as a second attempt at strengthing digital piracy laws after the anti-piracy Stop Online Piracy Act became deeply unpopular. Intellectual property theft was initially listed in the bill as a possible cause for sharing web traffic information with the government, though it was removed in subsequent drafts.[6]

The legislation was introduced on November 30, 2011 by U.S. Representative Michael Rogers (R-MI) and 111 co-sponsors. It was passed in the House of Representatives on April 26, 2012. President Obama has argued that the bill lacks confidentiality and civil liberties safeguards and has threatened to veto it.





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Postby DIss0n80r » Sun May 06, 2012 3:26 am



Maybe power is ultimately a zero sum game.
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Postby khanster » Sun May 06, 2012 3:54 am

DIss0n80r wrote:
Maybe power is ultimately a zero sum game.


Nash equilibrium can be used to solve zero sum games.

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Postby DIss0n80r » Sun May 06, 2012 3:56 am

:twisted:

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Postby khanster » Sun May 06, 2012 4:04 am

:shock: :shock: :shock:

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Postby DIss0n80r » Sun May 06, 2012 4:14 am

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Postby at1with0 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:56 am

Limited free will does not imply no free will.
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Postby shadowcass » Sun May 06, 2012 8:58 pm

As with life in general you have free will.

In other words you can DO anything you want, believe anything you want, and so on.

But (also as with life in general) you take full responsibility for the choices you make. That is what being an adult is all about.

Now, whether it is the Biblical God,the Hindu idea of Karma, or whatever---"you pays yer dues and you takes yer choice."

Anyone who embraces the Thelemic "Do What Thou Wilt" knows full well that that also entails accepting the consequences with a smile on your face and no regrets.
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