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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Wed May 02, 2012 11:05 pm

Choice meaning after you pull the trigger?
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Wed May 02, 2012 11:13 pm

Nope.

"Predictable outcomes arising from deterministic processes would mean there is no free will."
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Wed May 02, 2012 11:49 pm

That is, if choices are predictable. Sometimes they're not.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby khanster » Thu May 03, 2012 12:32 am

http://bigthink.com/ideas/37862


So what does that mean for free will? It means in some sense we do have some kind of free will. No one can determine your future events given your past history. There is always the wildcard. There is always the possibility of uncertainty in whatever we do.

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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 03, 2012 5:26 am

Finite uncertainties.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Thu May 03, 2012 7:43 am

khanster wrote:http://bigthink.com/ideas/37862


So what does that mean for free will? It means in some sense we do have some kind of free will. No one can determine your future events given your past history. There is always the wildcard. There is always the possibility of uncertainty in whatever we do.




True but a lot of people are quite predictable.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby frrostedman » Thu May 03, 2012 11:49 am

at1with0 wrote:That is, if choices are predictable. Sometimes they're not.


Everything you ever chose or ever will choose, is the result of your own free will. You have never chosen an outcome that you did not desire. So if I know you well, then your choices should be very predictable.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 03, 2012 6:22 pm

Yet you can't choose the choices.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby khanster » Thu May 03, 2012 10:02 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:Yet you can't choose the choices.


If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice.
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Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Fri May 04, 2012 3:21 am

That's not what I'm talking about.
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