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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:25 pm

Your choice. :shifty:
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:30 pm

You mean destiny doesn't force me to make a choice? OMG, BREAKTHROUGH!
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:13 pm

We are always in a position to choose in some form, even if our choices seem only subjective, even if we choose to give away all our choices.
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:49 pm

Even with a gun in my mouth "or else" I can choose death.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:09 pm

Who knows, maybe that's a choice you've made countless times before.
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Postby khanster » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:42 pm

frrostedman wrote:
Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.


That story is generally considered to be apocryphal.
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Postby at1with0 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:26 am

Maybe I'm dead already.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:33 am

frrostedman wrote:We've recently gone round and round with this khanster. I'm sure it's in a thread on page 1 of this forum.

Anyway, many believers will argue with me til the cows come home on this, but the fact is, if you believe the bible, then you must believe that we do not have 100% free will. We have free will, yes, but we do not have full autonomy.

Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.


Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 am

What if bigfoot could grow his fur back almost instantly? I bet somebody could make a fortune shaving him and selling it.
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Postby khanster » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:24 pm

greeney2 wrote:
Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.


99.9999999999999... where the .9999...part is infinitely repeating IS equal to 100.
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