The Black Vault

Redefining Disclosure

Skip to content

Free Will, Does it Exist?

[ Facebook comments] - NEW! Don't have a FREE Black Vault account? You can still comment using your Facebook, AOL, Hotmail or Yahoo! accounts at the bottom of the page.

Whether you believe in a higher power or not, this forum is dedicated to the topic of religion and spirituality. We live in a diverse world with different morals and ideas when it comes to our beliefs, so come in and share your thoughts.
Post a reply


Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:25 pm

Your choice. :shifty:
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort
User avatar
DIss0n80r
 
Posts: 4162
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:45 am
Top

Share On:

Share on Facebook Facebook Share on Twitter Twitter Share on FriendFeed FriendFeed Share on Digg Digg Share on Delicious Delicious Share on Technorati Technorati Share on Tumblr TumblrShare on Google+ Google+

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:30 pm

You mean destiny doesn't force me to make a choice? OMG, BREAKTHROUGH!
"Be as wise as a serpent and as innocent as a dove."
User avatar
at1with0
 
Posts: 8979
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:55 pm
Location: the coproduct of the amalgam of all structures
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:13 pm

We are always in a position to choose in some form, even if our choices seem only subjective, even if we choose to give away all our choices.
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort
User avatar
DIss0n80r
 
Posts: 4162
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:45 am
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:49 pm

Even with a gun in my mouth "or else" I can choose death.
"Be as wise as a serpent and as innocent as a dove."
User avatar
at1with0
 
Posts: 8979
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:55 pm
Location: the coproduct of the amalgam of all structures
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:09 pm

Who knows, maybe that's a choice you've made countless times before.
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort
User avatar
DIss0n80r
 
Posts: 4162
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:45 am
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby khanster » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:42 pm

frrostedman wrote:
Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.


That story is generally considered to be apocryphal.
User avatar
khanster
 
Posts: 690
Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:18 am
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby at1with0 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:26 am

Maybe I'm dead already.
"Be as wise as a serpent and as innocent as a dove."
User avatar
at1with0
 
Posts: 8979
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:55 pm
Location: the coproduct of the amalgam of all structures
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby greeney2 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:33 am

frrostedman wrote:We've recently gone round and round with this khanster. I'm sure it's in a thread on page 1 of this forum.

Anyway, many believers will argue with me til the cows come home on this, but the fact is, if you believe the bible, then you must believe that we do not have 100% free will. We have free will, yes, but we do not have full autonomy.

Adam and Eve had 99.999999999% free will to do what they want without consequence. They could do an infinite number of things, but for 2: Don't eat the fruit from this tree and that tree. Were they satisfied? No. And so it goes. Most of us are utterly and completely dissatisfied unless we have full autonomy.


Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.
greeney2
 
Posts: 9114
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby DIss0n80r » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 am

What if bigfoot could grow his fur back almost instantly? I bet somebody could make a fortune shaving him and selling it.
"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort
User avatar
DIss0n80r
 
Posts: 4162
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:45 am
Top

Re: Free Will, Does it Exist?

Postby khanster » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:24 pm

greeney2 wrote:
Frrosty, when you talked aobut Pi, the endless nature of the decimal point ment infinity to you, but this one 99.999999999 does not have the same meaning to you. If we agree 100% would be the highest numerical expression of free will, 99.9999999999% is infinate, why does that not compute to you, we have total and complete free will? Even if God limited the eating of the apple, Adam an Eve still have the free will to obey God 100%.


99.9999999999999... where the .9999...part is infinitely repeating IS equal to 100.
User avatar
khanster
 
Posts: 690
Joined: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:18 am
Top
PreviousNext
Post a reply







The Social Network Buzz
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to Religion & Spirituality

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

This site may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. we believe this constitutes a "fair use" of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law.

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed an interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond "fair use", you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

cron

[ ]