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As the 2012 election is now over, Barack Obama has won a second term. Many wonder how his policies, his administration, and how the entire political arena, will change our future.

Postby Nesaie » Sat May 02, 2009 3:00 am

Screamer, if you want to talk about the Russian Jew Commies of the early 20th Century and their influence on this Country, that is applicable here. If you want to debate the torah and Semites, take it down to the Religious section. I was half way tempted to respond, but it's so hard to read your point through your ramblings. What do you get paid to do this again?

CodeBlack, here are scary words, "Hi I'm here to help you, I'm from the government" :o

Run AWAY!!!!

The way this current illegitimate government is and has been for all my life...Machiavelli would be proud. Just like Stalin, Mussolini, Lenin (in Seattle there is a statue of Lenin, I wish it was Lennon), etc. wanted it. Especially when we invite the propaganda machine (AKA the TV) into our living rooms and bedrooms.

What we have today was NEVER what was intended. Jefferson is rolling over in his grave. :twisted:
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Postby browncoat77 » Sat May 02, 2009 7:01 am

I find it interesting that people have been complaining about crappy school systems in America, while also downing a liberal mentality. correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you calling programs funded by taxes socialist? If so, then it is ironic to have a problem with paying taxes that are used to help fund things like schools, because if schools got more funding, they could afford better books, better teachers, and better facilities. That money comes from taxes. Also, in response to someone's post regarding capitalism not being taught in schools -- actually, there are public schools that do have high-school business classes. This country is by no means socialist or communist. If anything, it had been leaning with the Bush administration toward fascism, which is on the opposite end of the spectrum of political systems from socialism/communism.

Also I have a question: Does anyone have a model of a better government in mind, perhaps in Europe somewhere or something? And if it weren't for liberals, there would still be Jim Crow laws in the South....not all liberals were Democrats. There can be liberal republicans too; its just that this whole new Neo-Con craziness has tended to equate republicans with the extreme right.


Edit: I found this page http://www.politicsdefined.com/content/fascism.htm about fascism.
Bush was very, very nationalistic. He and his ilk wanted to do things like ban books, for crying out loud. They were by no means for "the little man," so it was pretty much the opposite of socialism. They supported certain types of "down home Americans" not because they were "the little man" but because they tended to be extremely nationalistic, to the point where they supported a bill actually titled "The Patriot Act." As though if you disagreed with the bill it meant you were not a patriot, i.e. non-nationalistic. In the web page I referred to above, the author says in fascism "Therefore all individual's business is the state's business, the state's existence is the sole duty of the individual." Phone tapping, anyone??

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Postby CodeBlack » Sat May 02, 2009 4:01 pm

Yeah, I have a better form of government. Its called laissez-faire capitalism, where the government does not try to run everything, and run it into the ground. The public school system in the US used to be a great school system until the gov started monkeying with it in the 1960's. Its not where the money comes from that is the problem. Its what is being done with the money. The school books are controlled by people with a political agenda, has nothing to do with money. Its all the ridiculous laws and regulations that led to lawsuits which led to the current system.

Amazing to me how people have lived through the events which caused the problem but are either ignorant of it or refuse to admit it.

It all started to go downhill with integration and busing. AND, that is exactly what those who opposed those changes predicted. Exactly. But the left LOVES to show those who stood up against those changes as a bunch of ignorant rednecks. They refuse to admit the ignorant rednecks were right. Now the very people that integration was supposed to help are the ones crying to stop it.

The United States already had a better system. It was given up for a crooked socialist system.
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Postby browncoat77 » Sun May 03, 2009 11:13 am

CodeBlack wrote:Yeah, I have a better form of government. Its called laissez-faire capitalism, where the government does not try to run everything, and run it into the ground. The public school system in the US used to be a great school system until the gov started monkeying with it in the 1960's. Its not where the money comes from that is the problem. Its what is being done with the money. The school books are controlled by people with a political agenda, has nothing to do with money. Its all the ridiculous laws and regulations that led to lawsuits which led to the current system.

Amazing to me how people have lived through the events which caused the problem but are either ignorant of it or refuse to admit it.

It all started to go downhill with integration and busing. AND, that is exactly what those who opposed those changes predicted. Exactly. But the left LOVES to show those who stood up against those changes as a bunch of ignorant rednecks. They refuse to admit the ignorant rednecks were right. Now the very people that integration was supposed to help are the ones crying to stop it.

The United States already had a better system. It was given up for a crooked socialist system.


Soooo....integration of blacks and whites was a bad thing then? Wow. Yeah I'd say only an ignorant redneck would say something like that. Oh and I'm too young to have lived through that era, btw. It's one thing to express political opinions, but really? Integration was a bad thing?? C'mon. That's just sad.

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Postby screamzero » Sun May 03, 2009 12:38 pm

Nesaie wrote:Screamer, if you want to talk about the Russian Jew Commies of the early 20th Century and their influence on this Country, that is applicable here. If you want to debate the torah and Semites, take it down to the Religious section. I was half way tempted to respond, but it's so hard to read your point through your ramblings. What do you get paid to do this again?

CodeBlack, here are scary words, "Hi I'm here to help you, I'm from the government" :o

Run AWAY!!!!

The way this current illegitimate government is and has been for all my life...Machiavelli would be proud. Just like Stalin, Mussolini, Lenin (in Seattle there is a statue of Lenin, I wish it was Lennon), etc. wanted it. Especially when we invite the propaganda machine (AKA the TV) into our living rooms and bedrooms.

What we have today was NEVER what was intended. Jefferson is rolling over in his grave. :twisted:


It's so refreshing that you are painfully aware your country is in a mess for a lack of charachter due to its denizens not using a sturdy ethical and moral compass in their commerce; politiks; and otherwise. Glad you agree.
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Postby Jaack » Mon May 04, 2009 10:24 am

Nesaie wrote:Maybe I should try to make this more controversial? McCarthy was right!!!

8-) :D

Women should stay at home and be barefoot and pregnant.

:P 8-) :D


What's controversial about those statements?
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Postby Jaack » Mon May 04, 2009 10:38 am

Illuminati wrote:CodeBlack.
Speaking of nimrods I had a bout with Senator Russ Feingold when he did one of his round table Wisconsin public Q & A's. He was preaching that many of the top economists support Obama's bailout plans and future spending stimulus bills and that this in turn confirmed his choice in supporting Obama and the bailouts, past and future. So I asked him a question: "Could you tell me the names of any of these many famous Economists who agree with President Obama because as far as the most notable Economists I know of reject government intervention and spending on the open market, anti-nationalization of private businesses and mass bailout spending?". His response was that he could not tell me right off hand, then proceeded to ask me for any information of some notable economists who disagree with the President. I responded with a list from the Mises Institute, to which he responded he never heard of any of them. Apparently he never even heard of Ludwig Von Mises, let alone Professor Sciabarra from New York University or Llew Rockwell. The I asked the question that got me almost kicked out fo the meeting. "So, are you educated in Economics, Senator Feingold?" he said no. I then stated "So how can you vote on any issue regarding Economic Stimulus bills when you yourself just admitted to not knowing anything how our economy works then?" His secretary responded with a "next question please". Since I was outnumbered by local college Democratic Students cheering him on I was forced to step down.



HAHAHAHAAAA that's funny. Good job.

Still to bad libertarians wind up voting for the socialists instead of the more conservative party. Now I know the repubicans went big govt during Bush but that's cause Bush is not and never has been a conservative.

I hope we have a true conservative candidate for 2012 and that libertarians back this candidate.
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Postby Jaack » Mon May 04, 2009 11:26 am

browncoat77 wrote:
CodeBlack wrote:......
It all started to go downhill with integration and busing. AND, that is exactly what those who opposed those changes predicted. Exactly. But the left LOVES to show those who stood up against those changes as a bunch of ignorant rednecks. They refuse to admit the ignorant rednecks were right. Now the very people that integration was supposed to help are the ones crying to stop it.

The United States already had a better system. It was given up for a crooked socialist system.


Soooo....integration of blacks and whites was a bad thing then? Wow. Yeah I'd say only an ignorant redneck would say something like that. Oh and I'm too young to have lived through that era, btw. It's one thing to express political opinions, but really? Integration was a bad thing?? C'mon. That's just sad.

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Kumbayah - Kumbayah!!!

Do you even know what you are doing? Other than taking one statement and completely misrepresenting the facts proposed in that statement and turning it into a race issue. You are drinking the Kool-Aid.

Busing is not integration of races it is forced servitude for the blacks all for political points. They are required to ride on buses for hours in some cases.

The the busing era is what really brought Big Govt to the schools, all schools all across America.
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Postby CodeBlack » Mon May 04, 2009 6:25 pm

browncoat77 wrote:Soooo....integration of blacks and whites was a bad thing then? Wow. Yeah I'd say only an ignorant redneck would say something like that. Oh and I'm too young to have lived through that era, btw. It's one thing to express political opinions, but really? Integration was a bad thing?? C'mon. That's just sad.

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I'm not the one saying it. They are. It is the black community who has voiced opposition to school integration in the last 10 years. And you can't argue with the results, that being that our schools, especially in inner cities is a mess. Gov is what made it that way.
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Postby Nesaie » Tue May 05, 2009 11:25 pm

browncoat77 wrote: I find it interesting that people have been complaining about crappy school systems in America, while also downing a liberal mentality. correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you calling programs funded by taxes socialist? If so, then it is ironic to have a problem with paying taxes that are used to help fund things like schools, because if schools got more funding, they could afford better books, better teachers, and better facilities. That money comes from taxes.


Um...These things aren't contradictory. Public schools exist because of socialistic institution. The problem with public education is not the number of books, but what is written within. I'd love to explore all the problems with modern American public schools (as time permits). :D My father has a 6th grade education that was better than my public school education. How does that happen? Why was it, that before the '60's "reforms" my father spent less years in school to learn more than I learned in double that time?

I've found a few answers for that one. ;)_

browncoat77 wrote: Also, in response to someone's post regarding capitalism not being taught in schools -- actually, there are public schools that do have high-school business classes. This country is by no means socialist or communist. If anything, it had been leaning with the Bush administration toward fascism, which is on the opposite end of the spectrum of political systems from socialism/communism.


This country IS Fascist. But, you can't blame just the Bush family, you have to also blame Truman, FDR, etc. Socialism and Communism are two very different concepts.

browncoat77 wrote:Also I have a question: Does anyone have a model of a better government in mind, perhaps in Europe somewhere or something? And if it weren't for liberals, there would still be Jim Crow laws in the South....not all liberals were Democrats. There can be liberal republicans too; its just that this whole new Neo-Con craziness has tended to equate republicans with the extreme right.


Yes, our Founding Fathers, who were Classical Liberals (they wanted change) had a great idea for a new government, it was a Capitalistic Republic. Unfortunately, we're not a Republic and (thanks to the corporation of the "federal" "reserve") we're not Capitalistic either. And..."neo-cons" aren't new and they aren't conservative, yet they are cons and commies.

browncoat77 wrote:Edit: I found this page http://www.politicsdefined.com/content/fascism.htm about fascism.
Bush was very, very nationalistic. He and his ilk wanted to do things like ban books, for crying out loud. They were by no means for "the little man," so it was pretty much the opposite of socialism. They supported certain types of "down home Americans" not because they were "the little man" but because they tended to be extremely nationalistic, to the point where they supported a bill actually titled "The Patriot Act." As though if you disagreed with the bill it meant you were not a patriot, i.e. non-nationalistic. In the web page I referred to above, the author says in fascism "Therefore all individual's business is the state's business, the state's existence is the sole duty of the individual." Phone tapping, anyone??

Thanks for reading.
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I'll try to check out that page when I have more time. I'm still trying to make it through this forum as I have time. It can be tiring. :(
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