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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:46 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/07/ ... ml?ref=rss

And the people say innovation was impossible with socialized health care.

http://www.westandfirm.org/blog/2007/09 ... dical.html
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:37 pm

I don;t know what Canadian socialized medicine has to do with this kind of research. Don't get too happy about socialized medicine for the USA.

Kang has partnered with a Curacom, a South Korean holding company, that has agreed to open an office in London, Ont., to help fund research in Kang's lab and commercialize the vaccine.

A test vaccine is being manufactured in a lab in Maryland near Washington, D.C
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:53 pm

Just saying that people who use the excuse that "socialized medicine stunts innovative research" is full of BS.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:01 pm

socialized medicine doesn;t have anything to do with medical research Universities, or the funding private companies give for it.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:03 pm

greeney2 wrote:socialized medicine doesn;t have anything to do with medical research Universities, or the funding private companies give for it.


Tell that to the people who rant and rave that it does.
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Postby Tairaa » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:50 pm

I think socialized medical care is a good idea! That way if I get hit by a car, it doesn't bankrupt me to have my sternum fixed!

I think the whole possible scenario of being the victim, then being charged the hospital bill is barbaric to be honest. :P

Vaccines... The test method is taking people with high risk lifestyles, giving half a vaccine and half a placebo then comparing the rate of infection between the two groups. This is not exactly a fool proof method by any means.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:02 pm

Countries with socialized medicine have citizens who come to the USA for medical care, becasue the system doesn't work well. I've herd cancer death rates in Canada are nearly 10% higher than the USA, and that waiting lists for proceedures is so long people die as a result./
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Postby Lashmar » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:11 am

Tairaa wrote:I think socialized medical care is a good idea!


It's the anti commie crap that they're fed. :roll:


Countries with socialized medicine have citizens who come to the USA for medical care, becasue the system doesn't work well.


I’m in a sour mood today (as panda found out) so I’m going to take this nice and slow.

The NHS works well when the Tories are in government. The NHS works badly when labor is in power because they have this thing about privatizing it. Labor doesn’t understand this fine detail.

If you sell something to a privet company they’re going to want to see a profit. Lets say it cost the non-privatized NHS £1 million to clean the hospital. It will cost the privatized NHS £1.1 million because the private company wants a profit. Labor doesn’t understand this and they are doing it in ALL public servers, from the NHS to education right up to power and the road sweepers. They are privatizing everything in order to change their facts and figures.

The funny part is that the Tories are the conservatives. They want everything privatized, but they aren’t stupid enough to do what labor is doing.

The NHS is good until labor get in. It’s the same for everything to be honest if you were too look back at history.


Labor=tosser in fancy clothes. :roll: :x :lol:
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Postby Tairaa » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:07 am

greeney2 wrote:Countries with socialized medicine have citizens who come to the USA for medical care, becasue the system doesn't work well. I've herd cancer death rates in Canada are nearly 10% higher than the USA, and that waiting lists for proceedures is so long people die as a result./

High waiting lists, yes.

But if you're poor/homeless you still get treatment.

Difference of opinion. With your system you need money, with our system there is a wait.

My sister required surgery in her leg, which was non life threatening, and she did go down to the US to get it done because the wait time was too high.

But if they didn't have the money to do that, she'd still have had it done. You, if you didn't have the money, it wouldn't get done at all.
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:25 am

So literally, the wait can kill you, and if you have elective surgury, the wait can be a very long one. What do they do to pay you all that waiting time, if you can't work until its done?

People without money can get medical care here in the USA. In Los Angeles, they can goto the county hospital, but also every single emergency room has signs "If you are unable to pay, fill out this application". Thats the problem, all the ones who do not pay, abuse the emergency rooms for routine things, and those losses get over billed to insurance companies that do pay, like mine. The insured are swallowing the losses for the non-payers and for the short coverage from Medicare and Medical. Its no wonder our job supplied insurance is going into worse coverage every year, and now Obama is proposing taxing that on top of everything else, to fund a new health care for those who can't pay.

I'm not trying to sound cruel, but nobody from the wealthy level incomes ever got taxed to fund my insurance or my co-payments. Why should the middle income now get taxed further to pay for the lower income medical, they aren't my dependants. I can't get insurance from an employer unless we insure the uninsured as a condition? Whats next, a special tax on my new car, to give cars to people who don't have one? Sounds, alot like socialism! I've never recieved a penny of aid or help, and paid every single surgury our family has undergone totally. 3 for me, 3 for my wife, and 4 for my daughter and countless medical expencse over 30 years. I never got a break with any hospital or doctor, "writing off my account" ever. If you own a home you are $%&ked, if you have nothing, you get it all for free or written off. I worked to pay off these bills, I didn't fill out any applications that I couldn't pay.
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