at1with0 wrote:orangetom1999 wrote:for telling them about God's displeasure with them.
A prime example of distorted views on God.
If I tell you I am a prophet and God is displeased with your actions, decisions, or beliefs, then I am trying to control you.
Does this mean at1with0...that the record shows that God was not pleased with His People..the Hebrews ...or that this from the Bible is not true??
I bring this up because the Qumran Scrolls...the Dead Sea Scrolls...through Archeology/Paleography/Science...show that the conditions of the Hebrews and particularly their leadership from the Olde through the New testament is exactly what is described in the Bible. Their whoredoms, their disobedience, their rule changing et al.
However ..to apply this kind of thinking today ..to a Prophet...would not work ..simply because to those who understand ..it is a finished work. A man today trying to use it in this manner would be known to be contrary to a finished work.
DIss0n80r,
All that stuff in the videos is interesting ..but do you have any thoughts of your own..outside of your emotional disturbances...being upset at an opposing view.
Treating the bible as if it were 100% literally true from cover-to-cover and then using that as the basis for morality (as well as for your understanding of the natural world) will corrupt your reasoning. It's clearly an edited anthology of perspectives and styles that aren't all relevant today,
The biblical creation myth is just flat out wrong. You cannot change fact. You can resort to distortions and circular arguments and ignore evidence, but that's irrational, pure and simple. You cannot have it both ways.
There was no talking snake... Magic fruits don't exist... Women aren't ribs... Noah didn't build an ark for all the animals... On and on, the bible is full of things that cannot be taken seriously. Such absurdities reflect the minds of primitive men who understood very little compared to today.
There are many many other creation myths and legends out there, old stories that no critically thinking person would embrace as absolute truth. Why aren't you defending those?
This is the best that you can do?? Peak performance?? Things which cannot be taken seriously???
Not relevant today?? Not a basis for morality??? Surely you jest DIss0n80r?? You cannot possibly be serious here???
Your basis is secular education ..is it not..being superior to anything else?? Being the preferred method...paid for and financed by a secular body politic??
Do you realize that our secular body politic has been financing itself on the basis of a phony fiat money debt structure for years and years now?? That this debt structure ...like Europe is headed for collapse?? Huge economic collapse with no one of Education..men of letters doing anything about it ..but letting it head for the cliff..Just like Europe is currently doing.
When we reach this cliff...who is going to finance public education?? From grade schools to college. Who is going to be able to afford it...a failed Government?? What is going to happen to public eduction?? Science??
Are you thinking this through long term..or just through your emotions??? Instant gratification/self justification and your insecurities??
The economic system of the Bible is based on a system of Just weights and measures...very much like Measuring spoons or cups in Moma's Kitchen. Our coinage in America after the Coinage Act of April 2 1792 is after a system of just weights and measures..in gold , silver, and copper. Just like Measuring spoons in Moma's kitchen, Just like in the Bible.
This is known by people who have gotten past a standard secular education of today.
Buy Intelligence...by logic and reason ...by wise men today..we now have a Susan B. Anthony dollar coin in circulation which is 2/3s the size of a half dollar yet claims to be twice as much...but only costs pennies to produce. You have to go to public school to get this dumb and no one catch on to it. This does not conform to the Coinage Act of April 2, 1792...still the law. It does not conform to Moma's measuring spoons or cups in her kitchen where real stuff was measured. Nor does it conform to the Bible's just weights and measures.
But it conforms to logic and reason of men..natural men.
To those who also know..it conforms to Legal....the form of law...the "appearance" of law.
Verses Lawful...the substance of law..what the law was intended to accomplish.
See Blacks Law Dictionary...legal and lawful
Not at all relevant today??? What is known by primitive people back in history ...is that whenever government can get cheap monies...they will do it..and put the burden on the backs of the people causing inflation. And inflation/depreciation is disguised taxation. (See Money in Colonial England...Federal Reserve Bank of New York) Work we do for which we get no goods or services..taxation...both when we get the monies and also when we spend it. We are getting taxed twice..once on our paychecks and by inflation when we spend it. Want to know why people out here are pissed?? They may not know all the details but they know something is wrong.
And public education financed by government will never teach this simple truth.
But the Bible will...if you are awake to it.
Not relevant. I think it is relevant DIss0n80r...very relevant.
Remember something about thinking..DIss0n80r...if the economy collapses ...what happens to education here in this country?? Not that it has been doing such a great job in good times..but what happens to it in an economic collapse??
Think about this seriously. I say this because already college costs under intellectual wise men running government and the economy is about to price huge segments of the public out of a college education. College tuition's are going through the roof here soon...if not currently so doing.
And the very best that you can do is evolution/science ?? You are missing alot of cards in your deck DIss0n80r. You are looking the wrong way with your science and your education.
Grow up DIss0n80r. Try defending that trend line currently happening in history today ..right now. You do not need to go way back in history using a time warp technique to know something is very wrong with wise men..men of letters...right now..today. Not back in Primitive men..but modern men.
Explain to the readers here the morality of deficit spending to what is coming in education which will not be affordable by both government and the people themselves through inflationary pricing of everyone outside of the educational marketplace.
I submit to you DIss0n80r that there is some very corrupt and not moral reasoning going on out here right now..by secular men..men of letters ..men of science...men of logic and reason.
I say this because government is currently filled with men of letters..science...reason..but they cannot seem to balance a budget. Want to help education in this country..your holy of holies...balance the budget. You don't need a rocket education to figure this out.
The more men of letters we get in government ..the worse it seems to get. You have something very wrong with your assumptions here DIss0n80r. And thinking people can see it for themselves. Be very careful what you think is primitive.
Because the history often reads that modern educated man is more immoral and corrupt than what education labels as primitive thinking man.
Your assumption, like many of today, is that because the Bible is not written as modern educated scientific paper..that it is irrelavent. And people who can think for themselves know this difference.
This does not mean we are against science or education..but we are against science and education as a new improved religion...standing on it's own morality.
History is showing that the more things seem to change..science..et al..the more things stay the same.
The Bible calls this..."
there is no new thing under the sun"
Political Scientist R. J. Rummel is demonstrating this clearly with his Democide principle.
Thanks,
Orangetom
