DIss0n80r wrote:CB, what ideas am I espousing that you define as "leftist"? That truths are better than lies?
DIss0n80r wrote:It's also odd that you're suddenly agreeing with Hum that there's no justification for religion...
greeney2 wrote:People badmouth the results of science all the time, not science itself. Only a very few religions shun the use of modern science that I can think of, only Amish people come to mind. People badmouth the inventions of science everyday, that caused or created bigger problems, or at least the negative aspects of any given invention, affecting our society. We seem to have grouped almost every invention of man, or discovery of man, as a science ralated thing for this discussion. Nobody said to eliminate science, and nobody said to eliminate our modern things like Computers.
CodeBlackv2 wrote:humphreys wrote:What happens when science and religion conflict?
Each side should seek to resolve the conflict using their own devices if they care about it that much. Ultimately conflicts don't matter. They only matter if you are trying to blend the 2 together.
Your question implies that religion should justify itself to science. There is no such need.
DIss0n80r wrote:at1with0 wrote:I personally feel that mathematical objects are discovered and not created.
Could you elaborate on your reasoning/intuition for that? Is it because of their elegant internal consistency? Is there an innate tautological truth to their existence/structure?
Does Tegmark's multiverse also include fundamentally differing rules of mathematics? What makes a mathematical truth coherent and elegant to the human mind? Is it entirely subjective? Or could there be a blurring of object & subject somewhere in there? If the nature of reality is mathematical, why? Why might reality be innately understandable as a language?
DIss0n80r wrote:Maybe we should live in caves, worship the sun, and throw rocks at our enemies.
DIss0n80r wrote:We could all be slinging our feces at each other and squawking for all the objective universe cares.
DIss0n80r wrote:Math may be the language of God...
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