DIss0n80r wrote:Sorry, Hum, but you got it all wrong. Human misery is the result of original sin, because Adam and his rib were bad and ate the magic fruit. All that medicine and technology stuff is defying God's will. Humans need to stop trying to understand objective reality and just trust the word of Allah-Zeus-Odin-Mithra-Crom-Ra-Yahweh-Cthulhu.
Besides, have you noticed that the snake is associated with medicine? Remember the snake in Genesis? See where this is going? Obviously science was intelligently designed by the Devil.
The only things that can save us now are genital mutilation, dunking each other underwater, babbling incoherently while holding handfuls of snakes, rejecting the false teachings of evolutionary and old-earth theories, telepathically asking a dead jew for forgiveness, and dressing all of our women like ninjas.
Otherwise we can't behave morally or be obedient slaves to a perfect being who created people just to satisfy his ego.
humphreys wrote:frrostedman wrote:humphreys wrote:Greeney, the story from Kings, remember that? We discussed it quite recently. Well, that was a gang.
That tribal stuff that occurred at the beginning of civilization, they were gangs too. Gangs have always existed.
As far as the American gangs you are talking about specifically, they have been around at least 150 years.
This doesn't sound very supportive of your "look at all the progress we've made" argument.
Yes, we've made lots of progress as far as scientific discovery. The the nature of mankind has not change for the better or worse since the dawn of civilization. And even if it has, science has had nothing to do with it, that's for sure.
I only said we made a little progress where racism is concerned. There's a long way to go, but noticable progress has been made.
You're right, science is not responsible for that. I don't think making us more moral is the job of science at all. I would put morality squarely in the realm of philosophy. Science has made our lives easier, though, and the biggest gains have come in medicine.
at1with0 wrote:Science has helped us commit acts of evil more efficiently, like genocide (if that's really evil, per se).
frrostedman wrote:at1with0 wrote:Science has helped us commit acts of evil more efficiently, like genocide (if that's really evil, per se).
frrostedman wrote:Then we agree, I ... think?
(I'm usually wrong, as ... let's face it... I'm doing good just to tread water with you guys in any debate)
Science has helped us make incredible advances... advances which improve our quality of life.
But morally-speaking, science has been of no help and we are generally the same today as any other day.
Science gives us medicine to live longer, yet it gives us weapons to kill each other more efficiently, and gives us more efficient means to destroy forests and expose the race to viruses that until that time, laid dormant. Science has no bearing upon mankind's persistence in commiting acts of evil, other than it helps us commit evil more easily, and also helps us combat the effects of it through therapy and medicine.
And in my next post, I will amaze the audience by saying the same thing 4 different ways!
at1with0 wrote:Check out this article by Max Tegmark:
Just sayin....this is how parallel universes and the multiverse are actually done in practice by theoretical physicists.
After the natural structure of the immortal beings had developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated from Pistis (Faith), it is called Sophia (Wisdom).
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