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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby DIss0n80r » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:22 pm

A theory is how scientists tie together individual facts to form a coherent big picture. It's as disingenuous to call multiverse theory "just a theory" as it would be to call atomic theory "just a theory".
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby DIss0n80r » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:42 pm

at1with0 wrote:Universal intelligence indeed... Nothing ventured nothing gained indeed...

I believe that intelligence could potentially be defined among that which is formless (and hence timeless). In certain structures.

Sorry there isn't more to chew on... I blame it on just waking up.

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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:49 pm

You will scarcely find a better educator than Michio Kaku. Can't go wrong with him, no.... :D
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby DIss0n80r » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:58 pm

Hyperspace was a cool book. :D
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby Island_Girl » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:12 pm

Is this off topic? I spend lots of time on and in the
water. Reel me in, if so. Release me back gently tho'. :)

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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby frrostedman » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:15 pm

humphreys wrote:Greeney, the story from Kings, remember that? We discussed it quite recently. Well, that was a gang.

That tribal stuff that occurred at the beginning of civilization, they were gangs too. Gangs have always existed.

As far as the American gangs you are talking about specifically, they have been around at least 150 years.


This doesn't sound very supportive of your "look at all the progress we've made" argument.

Yes, we've made lots of progress as far as scientific discovery. The the nature of mankind has not change for the better or worse since the dawn of civilization. And even if it has, science has had nothing to do with it, that's for sure.
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby DIss0n80r » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:41 pm

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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:42 pm

frrostedman wrote:The the nature of mankind has not change for the better or worse since the dawn of civilization.


Tell that to the God of genocide.... ;)
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby at1with0 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:44 am

Island_Girl wrote:Is this off topic? I spend lots of time on and in the
water. Reel me in, if so. Release me back gently tho'. :)




The sensory aspect of the psychedelic experience can be replicated naturally without drugs.

Check this out.




This is best viewed in fullscreen mode. And do please heed the warning for anyone who might have a seizure.

I like the fisherman idea. I can tell you that behemoths have wrecked my nets and brought my boat down into an abyss, so in that sense the psychedelic experience is not recreational. But occasionally some decent fish can be reeled in, in terms of ideas generated during said experience.
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Re: A Case for Intelligent Design: Part 2

Postby CodeBlackv2 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:49 am

DIss0n80r wrote:A theory is how scientists tie together individual facts to form a coherent big picture. It's as disingenuous to call multiverse theory "just a theory" as it would be to call atomic theory "just a theory".

Whoa, that is way off base. You are confusing theory with proof. Atomic Theory has been proven. It isn't just a theory. We have working products which prove it correct. We don't even have evidence of a multiverse. It pure conjecture. No comparison between those two. A theory is proof of nothing.

Keep in mind that scientists use the term "theory" perpetually, even after a theory has been proven. They do this because they recognize that even a proof can later be dis-proved when technology increases and provides new information that was not obtainable before. Theory is loose term. Many theories have turned out to be wrong.

Quantum Mechanics is a perfect example. Newtonian physics were "proven" in their day and the industrial revolution was the result. But QM proved that Newtonian Physics was actually not completely correct. It just comes out with the right mathematical answer and we can build machines based on that. A deeper understanding gives us a more robust theory and hopefully provides new proofs.
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