The Black Vault

Life IS suffering. Some people suffer worse than others. Eventually even gravity wears us down and we croak.

Heaven is the big lie.

It is better to rule in hell ...than to serve, in heaven

This universe is the lowest and easiest level of hell. Each level is a test, a game that must be navigated correctly to graduate to the next more demanding level.

The alternative is to surrender to the Deity of the particular level and give up all claims to free will. If you surrender your free will and rightful inheritance, you will live an eternity of bliss and happiness with ZERO suffering like a happy well cared for sheep in a Utopian Dreamscape.

Those who keep playing the game will become gods after surviving the infinity of levels of hell.

My fellow players ...I salute you

The first part of this quote up top is correct because of Adam's transgression.

The second part is interesting to me because this is the switch by logic and reason into Lucifer's sermon.

It is textbook..right out of Morals and Dogma...out of Manley Palmer Hall's books..et al. Demigods.

Here ..this ...is the clincher...

Those who keep playing the game will become gods after surviving the infinity of levels of hell.

My fellow players ...I salute you

This is nothing more than a version of " I will be like the most high." "sitting in the congregation in the sides of the north"

This is also what man's logic and reason reach at the terminus...always. This is the very best that men with all their logic and reason/free will.. can do...ever.

Thanks,
Orangetom

khanster wrote:This universe is the lowest and easiest level of hell. Each level is a test, a game that must be navigated correctly to graduate to the next more demanding level.

The alternative is to surrender to the Deity of the particular level and give up all claims to free will. If you surrender your free will and rightful inheritance, you will live an eternity of bliss and happiness with ZERO suffering like a happy well cared for sheep in a Utopian Dreamscape.

Those who keep playing the game will become gods after surviving the infinity of levels of hell.

Interesting thoughts. The mind has a way of organizing concepts as self-servingly as possible...

But what if reality is ultimately like a sphere, with no top or bottom, that is to say - top and bottom are arbitrarily conceived from within a seamless complexity of forms?

Maybe a choice between avoiding or annihilating suffering is fundamentally incorrect. There may be a... middle way.

Or I might just be reeeeally high.

greeney2 wrote:No thats not proof God does not exist,

It's proof that your "Biblical God" does not exist. And it's not the only proof. The story of Noah's Ark also has many logistical issues that make the alleged event impossible.

greeney2 wrote:but if it was proof all weak atheists would also have their proof, and not claim to not have as Humphreys did. They would all be strong atheists too, due to the fact the proof would be inclusive to for all atheists. You would all be saying we all have proof,

Some atheists are just way too modest.

greeney2 wrote:"Neither has proof", and your link uses those exact words.

It doesn't say that anywhere in that link. It says that strong atheism carries an initial burden of proof which does not exist for weak atheism.

Here, read it again:

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismques ... g_weak.htm

It's proof that your "Biblical God" does not exist. And it's not the only proof. The story of Noah's Ark also has many logistical issues that make the alleged event impossible.

LOL LOL LOL!!!!


Thanks,
Orangetom

orangetom1999 wrote:

It's proof that your "Biblical God" does not exist. And it's not the only proof. The story of Noah's Ark also has many logistical issues that make the alleged event impossible.

LOL LOL LOL!!!!


Thanks,
Orangetom

While it may have been impossible to fit that many animals in a boat that size, what I'm far more concerned about is a God that uses comprehensive genocide to carry out its will.

orangetom1999 wrote:

This is nothing more than a version of " I will be like the most high." "sitting in the congregation in the sides of the north"

It is just the logical and ironic conclusion that is implied by the Biblical writings. In order to go to heaven we must surrender our "will", our free will. As the bible says, not my will be done but thy will be done ...

event_horizon wrote:

greeney2 wrote:No thats not proof God does not exist,

It's proof that your "Biblical God" does not exist. And it's not the only proof. The story of Noah's Ark also has many logistical issues that make the alleged event impossible.

greeney2 wrote:but if it was proof all weak atheists would also have their proof, and not claim to not have as Humphreys did. They would all be strong atheists too, due to the fact the proof would be inclusive to for all atheists. You would all be saying we all have proof,

Some atheists are just way too modest.

greeney2 wrote:"Neither has proof", and your link uses those exact words.

It doesn't say that anywhere in that link. It says that strong atheism carries an initial burden of proof which does not exist for weak atheism.

Here, read it again:

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismques ... g_weak.htm

It also says even a strong atheist will hear the claim of a believer and decide if it is feasable. (I'm paraprasing) Expressing an opinion is not providing proof. If the Strong atheists make all these assertions, and what you call "Proof", as they say, "sh*t rolls down hill", all weak atheists would have their proof from what is regarded as the higher level of Atheism. Humphey refutes any and all claims, then hides behind Weak Atheists not having to show any proof. You claim you idea of Noah's Ark, is conclusive proof God does not exist, only becasue you doubt it could happen, not that you have a schread of proof otherwise. One top of that, many religions belief many bible stories are symbolic and not literal events. You have no more than Humphey than to claim your opinion is stronger. Again your link states all atheists are weak atheists, and weak atheists provide not proof, but I contend if strong atheists provide so called proof, you would all be strong atheists. To repeat, strong or weak, is only a suggnificance to an atheist, to a believer, it means nothing. It like 2 people who can not see anything, and one saying "I'm more blind than you are", "My blindness is more complete than your blindness".

Greeney, you crack me up.

You and orangetom should do stand up.

greeney2 wrote:You claim you idea of Noah's Ark, is conclusive proof God does not exist, only becasue you doubt it could happen, not that you have a schread of proof otherwise.

So do you still think the "story of Noah" actually happened?

greeney2 wrote:One top of that, many religions belief many bible stories are symbolic and not literal events.

Yep...anything that doesn't make sense to modern day people is now supposed to be symbolic, when it used to be taken literally.

Nothing but cop outs.