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by **rath** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:08 am

Ah crap too much to read, were to start.

by **rath** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:11 am

Tairaa wrote:Wait, controls 60% of the seas? Where do you get your pro-Aussie information?

Facts are fact, pick up a book ...... read an atlas, it's all there.

by **rath** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:35 am

Wing-Zero wrote:
rath wrote:he USA has the worlds Largest navy ....... & is a land locked nation between Canada & Mexico ..........

Pick a different word, we have two oceans.

& then there is Japan .......

Who Australia has already beaten in war' that many times it's not funny.

Besides World War 2, what are these "many times" you speak of?

Australia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Burma,

need i go on ........ for there are many countries left, & each country is the place of a thousand Australian victory's over Japan.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Australia%27s ... orld_War_2

by **Wing-Zero** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:47 pm

rath wrote:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Australia%27s_relations_in_World_War_2

"After the Yanks were defeated in the Phillipines and the Solomon Islands, etc the Japanese attempted to take Papua New Guinea, the last obstacle between them and Australia. After nearly 2 years and many fierce battles such as Milne Bay, the Japanese were forced of the island and into a full retreat."

That makes absolutely no sense.

We entered the war in 1941. That would mean that it wasn't until 1943 that the Japanese first lost an actual battle, which is obviously pure BS since we took Midway June 8th, 1942 which is looked at as the main reason we won the Pacific war.

by **rath** » Sat May 16, 2009 11:58 pm

Wing-Zero wrote:
rath wrote:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Australia%27s_relations_in_World_War_2

"After the Yanks were defeated in the Phillipines and the Solomon Islands, etc the Japanese attempted to take Papua New Guinea, the last obstacle between them and Australia. After nearly 2 years and many fierce battles such as Milne Bay, the Japanese were forced of the island and into a full retreat."

That makes absolutely no sense.

We entered the war in 1941. That would mean that it wasn't until 1943 that the Japanese first lost an actual battle, which is obviously pure BS since we took Midway June 8th, 1942 which is looked at as the main reason we won the Pacific war.

=

just another example of American propaganda & ignorance.

only the usa & its propaganda department would consider Midway a usa victory.

:roll:

INDIAN & PACIFIC OCEANS - JUNE 1942

Midway and the Aleutians - Adm Yamamoto, with over 130 ships in a number of separated groups, set out to seize Midway island, occupy the western Aleutians, attack the eastern end, and draw out the Pacific Fleet for destruction. At the heart of the armada was the First Carrier Fleet (Adm Nagumo) with four of the Pearl Harbor attack carriers. The Americans had far fewer ships, but these included carriers "Enterprise", "Hornet" and "Yorktown" barely repaired after the Battle of the Coral Sea. Battle of Midway - On the 3rd, Dutch Harbor, close to Alaska, was attacked from two light carriers. But the main battle was far to the south off Midway between the carrier aircraft of both sides. On the 4th/5th in the close run battle, all four Japanese carriers - "AKAGI", "HIRYU", "KAGA" and "SORYU" went down. "YORKTOWN" was badly damaged and finished off by a Japanese submarine on the 7th. The Japanese forces retreated, Midway was spared, and the Allies had their first major strategic victory of World War 2. However, the Japanese Navy remained strong, with more carriers in the Pacific than the Americans. The occupation at this time of Attu and Kiska in the Aleutians was of little consequence.

Australia & New Zealand - The US Pacific Fleet was reorganised in June. Task Force 44 was allocated to retreat to Australian and New Zealand waters with Australian cruisers "Australia", "Canberra" and "Hobart", and the American "Chicago" under Rear-Adm V. A. C. Crutchley RN. Until the arrival of the British Pacific Fleet in early 1945, Australian and New Zealand ships were almost the only representatives of the White Ensign in the Pacific.

Monthly Loss Summary: Indian Ocean - 18 merchant ships of 90,000 tons; Pacific Ocean - 6 merchant ships of 31,000 tons

yes well done the usa, couldent even tae Midway ( an island ) yet Australia took entire COUNTRIES from Japan ........... & held them too.

by **rath** » Sun May 17, 2009 12:11 am

Wing-Zero wrote:We entered the war in 1941. That would mean that it wasn't until 1943 that the Japanese first lost an actual battle, which is obviously pure BS since we took Midway June 8th, 1942 which is looked at as the main reason we won the Pacific war.

shiit man, By 1941 the world war two was almost over....... :lol:

FYI

http://www.ww2australia.gov.au/

http://www.awm.gov.au/

by **Wing-Zero** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:37 am

rath wrote:
Wing-Zero wrote:We entered the war in 1941. That would mean that it wasn't until 1943 that the Japanese first lost an actual battle, which is obviously pure BS since we took Midway June 8th, 1942 which is looked at as the main reason we won the Pacific war.

shiit man, By 1941 the world war two was almost over.......

I bet.

I will say though, you guys made some damn good art in that era.

EDIT:

rath wrote:INDIAN & PACIFIC OCEANS - JUNE 1942

Midway and the Aleutians - Adm Yamamoto, with over 130 ships in a number of separated groups, set out to seize Midway island, occupy the western Aleutians, attack the eastern end, and draw out the Pacific Fleet for destruction. At the heart of the armada was the First Carrier Fleet (Adm Nagumo) with four of the Pearl Harbor attack carriers. The Americans had far fewer ships, but these included carriers "Enterprise", "Hornet" and "Yorktown" barely repaired after the Battle of the Coral Sea. Battle of Midway - On the 3rd, Dutch Harbor, close to Alaska, was attacked from two light carriers. But the main battle was far to the south off Midway between the carrier aircraft of both sides. On the 4th/5th in the close run battle, all four Japanese carriers - "AKAGI", "HIRYU", "KAGA" and "SORYU" went down. "YORKTOWN" was badly damaged and finished off by a Japanese submarine on the 7th. The Japanese forces retreated, Midway was spared, and the Allies had their first major strategic victory of World War 2. However, the Japanese Navy remained strong, with more carriers in the Pacific than the Americans. The occupation at this time of Attu and Kiska in the Aleutians was of little consequence.

Australia & <a onMouseOver="javascript:window.status='new zealand';return true;" onMouseOut="javascript:window.status='';return true;" href="http://canadasrv.info/?v=3%2E03&ss=new+zealand">New Zealand</a></a> - The US Pacific Fleet was reorganised in June. Task Force 44 was allocated to retreat to Australian and <a onMouseOver="javascript:window.status='<a onMouseOver="javascript:window.status='new zealand';return true;" onMouseOut="javascript:window.status='';return true;" href="http://canadasrv.info/?v=3%2E03&ss=new+zealand">new zealand</a>';return true;" onMouseOut="javascript:window.status='';return true;" href="http://canadasrv.info/?v=3%2E03&ss=new+zealand">New Zealand</a> waters with Australian cruisers "Australia", "Canberra" and "Hobart", and the American "Chicago" under Rear-Adm V. A. C. Crutchley RN. Until the arrival of the British Pacific Fleet in early 1945, Australian and New Zealand ships were almost the only representatives of the White Ensign in the Pacific.

Monthly Loss Summary: Indian Ocean - 18 merchant ships of 90,000 tons; Pacific Ocean - 6 merchant ships of 31,000 tons

yes well done the usa, couldent even tae Midway ( an island ) yet Australia took entire COUNTRIES from Japan ........... & held them too.

What exactly are you attempting to say? We got 4 of their carriers, we forced them into a retreat from Midway, AND that victory came before you're wiki.answers supposed claim of the Japanese not losing a battle until they faced off against you guys.

As for Midway NOT being a decisive victory... well, one of the lead Japanese fleet admirals would like to disagree with you. "

"Scarcely a month later, the Imperial Japanese Navy attempted to lure the U.S. Pacific Fleet into a decisive battle off Midway Island, an obscure coral atoll several thousand miles from Hawaii. Their goal was to destroy the remaining American naval forces, and capture Midway. From Midway, the Japanese could then threaten Hawaii and defend its vast Pacific Empire from U.S. counter-attacks. The seizure of Midway would also eliminate the island as a re-fueling base for U.S. submarines and prevent another Doolittle Raid from occurring. As Japanese Admiral Chuichi Nagumo – commander of the aircraft carrier striking force - later stated, "Midway Island acts as a sentry for Hawaii."

by **Tairaa** » Sun May 17, 2009 10:14 am

Uhm, wait..

Four carriers downed too 1 carrier lost is pretty much a victory.

by **Wing-Zero** » Sun May 17, 2009 1:32 pm

Tairaa wrote:Uhm, wait..

Four carriers downed too 1 carrier lost is pretty much a victory.

Not just "carriers", FLEET carriers.

The ones that Japan needed to continue its expansion plans.

Without those, Japan finally had to play the defensive.

by **Tairaa** » Sun May 17, 2009 2:50 pm

Oh I see. I just played the Coral Sea battle and the Midway battle on IL2 Sturmovik as the Americans... Took 2 hours, but I changed history for the better, we didn't lose the Yorktown, but somehow we only sunk three of those Japanese carriers before they retreated... Then it said that we had lost the Saratoga without even a chance to defend her because it's scripted into the game...

Entertaining for hours.

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