greeney2 wrote:Aren't we all manipulated to some degree, no matter what we learn?
Absolutely and all the time.
I was struck by, was many of these kids felt alienated, and wished they could find friends other than religious kids. Intentional or not, these kids feel alienated. Even some religions not considered cults tend to do this alienating.
Friends of mine unschooled their children (if you are not familiar with the term it is a form of homeschooling) and they sent their children every year to a Christian camp as well as a non Christian camp as well as an unschooling camp. Her son who is now a young adult made a video interviewing the kids that went to the camp for unschoolers. They too often felt alienated in their lives where the camp aloud them to be themselves without question as well as make friends, even if it meant long distance friendships, to feel and experience a belonging. This camp consists of faith and non faith. Man likes to feel that they belong and being young the feeling of being alienated comes in all forms from being bullied, being too sensitive or in this case an atheist.
Its a tough call if you consider a Christian camp an equal effort of brainwashing, when this example of Atheists replacing words "God and Lord", with fantasy names, and a drilling the idea God is imaginary, than telling kids "you are free to decide for yourself", while they deal a stacked deck.
I did not see the the show you are referring to but I will agree that if imaginary names are used and than stating God does not exist but we want you to make up your own mind.....is contradictory for sure.
If I think about it objectively, I could think the deck is equally stacked on the Christian side of planting their seeds. I think what tips the scales completly however to the Christian side not, is these are (ministers and clergy) people who have studied in depth to understand the Bible, and are Ordained in the Faiths they belong to. It is their lifes work, and they teach in order to understand and tie things togather completly out of the Bible. Which is differnt than teaching finding counterdictions, and not taking into account the entire scope of understanding. You may hate Catholics, but the most highly educated group of people in theology, are the Cardinals of the world in the Catholic religion.
Well I don't hate Catholics. I have no reason too. When my daughter was smaller we did try several churches out and if my daughter liked any church it sure was the Catholic Church. Call and respond, kneel, cross yourself, holy water and the list goes on. She loved it. Now me coming from an objective view could also say even though these rituals have deep meaning for the Catholic one could say that this too is a form of brainwashing. I do not find the educational staff of the Catholic church to be too fool proof, since they have scandals every few decades of the sexual abuse. So while lets say they have an understanding....and I am sure you would say that your faith is timeless....I say they are not keeping up with the times and so with are creating these internal issues all on their own. Celibacy is not for everyone. And it would seem to me that if one has an in depth understanding and belief and it really is so outstanding as an example for all.....somewhere they are failing miserably.
I would say the true Christian camp has an honest approach based on the fact these are people who have passed down centuries of study and learning. It begs the question if I'm honest, how could so many centuries resulting in more than one religion from the same Bible? Thats a pretty big question. I am not so sure that the atheist camp is based on honest and true study of the Bible. Thats just my opinion.
Most atheist I know come from the perspective of logic and science and the bible can only full fill a small portion of that. There is nothing dishonest about that. But again I did not see the show and do not know what was really going on in that camp. But than I also wonder what might have been edited to give you the impression you received.
The bible gets interpreted in different ways with the exception of a few things where you all agree. Just shows you it is not so black and white in many areas. I know that when I do choose to pull out my bible and read it....as I have evolved and matured I read something very differently than what I did lets say 10 or 15 years ago.