The Black Vault

The United Nations has spent millions quietly studying how to make or mold all religions into a one world universal religion.

We already accept and have countless Non-demominational chuches all over the world, what more do they want? All anyone needs to do to find one is goto any hospital, most have non-denominal chapels, as so military bases, and other places, in addition to independant churches that are non-denominal.

It appears to me that this is not a multi-directional mission of tolerance, it appears to be a one-side gesture by some isolated churches.


This may be a wonderful gesture and idea, but again it does not belong in the Worship service, it belongs in the other meeting and functions of the church, outreach progams, that should be 2-directional. For the reasons I mentioned about the Worship service itself and what worship service is for. No way will you find a Mosque that would read from the Bible in the prayer times in the Mosque. Can you imagine the death warrent clerics would issue if any Mosque gestured tolerance, by reading from the Torah in a Mosque. They are still hunting the guy over a cartoon 10 years ago. How we forget the cases a few years ago where 2 women were nearly executed for having a Bible in the middle east. Muslim oppression in the middle east, is something out of the dark ages and centuries ago.

I'm all for tolerance, but it isn't the Christain world that needs to learn it, or reach out with it, its Islam. Many of the so-called misconception about Muslims are not mis-conceptions. Just look at the middle east, they completly contol it and the people. They need to begin with telling the world, those who worship Jesus Christ or those who are Jewish, are not infidels. They need to start policing their own radical elements.

Qmark wrote:

However, for a preacher to stand up there and read it as if it had equal footing is outright blasphemous.
Tichan

I can understand your point. Its either you following the teachings of Jesus or of Mohamed.
Mohamed stoop very low with me just for the simple fact that he was having relationship with your girls below 12. He married a 9-year-old girl and even his adopted son's wife
Muhammad had sex with just about anyone he pleased, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life, as immortalized in the Qur'an.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (Zaynab & Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

Qmark wrote

I do not respect Islam. Why would I respect a religion that is leading billions to hell?

Tichan I do not beleive in hell but retribution

Qmark wrote:

What is going on here is aimed at souls, not physical shells, and the One World Religion is the cornerstone to that broad road that leads to destruction.

These so called "christian" churches are in the throes of apostasy. They need to examine themselves against God's Word and not the "world's" opinion.
Tichan :
So who is the leader to destruct souls since souls are supposed to b4e eternal

Orangetom wrote:

What world class planners or engineers want is to return the world to a pre flood condition or the religion of Lucifer. They are Luciferians.


Tichan:

I do not understand how there can be a religion of Lucifer prior to the flood.

Lucifer appears once in archaic English bibles - in Isaiah 14:12. This is clearly an inappropriate translation - because "Lucifer" is a transliteration of a Latin translation. The Latin is correct ("lucifer" means "light bringer", a euphemism for "morning star"). However, in an English translation, it is clearly not reasonable to use a Latin translation of any particular phrase! Nearly all modern bibles correctly translate this passage. "Lucifer" is not and never was a name that the bible uses for Satan. More: the bible itself clearly states that the person being described in Isaiah 14 is the king of Babylon - not Satan.

As there is no indication that "Lucifer" was ever used by the bible to refer to Satan, there is no record of a name change. Satan appears as the name of the devil both well before Isaiah's time

It is a little know fact that the word "Satan" is an untranslated word. It is not an English word. Instead, it comes from the Hebrew, from which it has passed into Greek and thence into English. The word simply means an adversary, as will be evident to the simplest reader from the following instances of its use:

Example :

"The Lord stirred up an adversary (A SATAN) unto Solomon, Hadad the Edomite" (1 Kings 11:14). "Lest in the battle, he (David) be an adversary (A SATAN) to us" (1 Samuel 29:4). "There is neither adversary (SATAN) nor evil occurrent" (1 Kings 5:4).

Definition:
The Hebrew satan means adversary or opposer. It has been translated as adversary, adversaries, accusation, resist in the KJV. In most places it has not been translated but transliterated as Satan.

In the English version of the Bible the name "Lucifer" appears only one time--in Isaiah 14:12. This reads:

1. "How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning..."

2. "Lucifer" is not an English word, but a Latin word. The question is: who gave the world this Latin name?

3. In A.D. 382 Pope Damascus commissioned the scholar Jerome to make an official revision of the Latin versions of the Bible that were floating around in the Catholic Church. Jerome went off to a cave in Bethlehem where he proceeded to make his translation, supposedly based on the Hebrew text, but in practice based very largely on the Septuagint version (i.e. "LXX") that Origen had produced about 140 years earlier while in Caesarea.

Anyway, by A.D. 405 Jerome had completed his work, which we today know as "The Latin Vulgate" Bible. It is far from an infallibly accurate translation of the original texts. Rather, it is an interpretation of thought put into idiomatic, graceful Latin!

For a thousand years this Translation was without a rival--and herein lies the problem!

4. Jerome had understood that Isaiah 14:12 is talking about Satan. There the Hebrew word "heylel" is used and Jerome translated this into Latin as "lucifer"!

This is a mistranslation!!!

5. The word "Lucifer" comes from 2 Latin words:

Lux (=light) + ferous (=to bear or carry). Thus the name "Lucifer" means:Light-bearer or Light-bringer.

But this is not what the Hebrew word "heylel" means!

6. Anyway, as a result of this Latin Vulgate translation, which was almost the only version of the Bible in use throughout Europe for the next 1000 years, Satan popularly became known as Lucifer. It should be self-evident that when the first people who translated the Bible into English came along, one of their paradigms was that the name "Lucifer" applied to Satan. When they came to translate Isaiah 14:12 into English, they decided that rather than actually "translate" the word "Heylel," they would simply substitute it with the already well-known (originally) Latin name "Lucifer." And they could do this because on the surface this seems to be a reasonably accurate translation. But it isn't really!

7. I mentioned earlier that the word "Lucifer" appears only once in the English versions of the Bible. But in the Latin Vulgate translation of Jerome it appears twice! That's right, twice! Where else is this word used and who does it refer to? Jerome certainly knew who it refers to. This knowledge also casts a dark cloud over his intentional use in Isaiah 14:12!

8. 2 Peter 1:19 reads : "...until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts." this is another mistranslation!!!

The two words "day star" are a translation of the one Greek word "phosphoros." This comes from the two Greek words:

Phos (=light) + phero (=to bear or carry). Thus the Greek word "phosphoros" means Light-bearer or Light-bringer.

Anyone who knows both, Greek and Latin, can verify that the Greek word "Phosphoros" and the Latin word "Lucifer" are absolutely, one hundred percent identical in meaning. "Lucifer" is the perfect translation into Latin of the Greek word "Phosphoros."

9. Now let's note the dishonesty, first of the English translators and then of Jerome--

All of the English translators of the Bible know very well that the word "Phosphoros" in 2 Peter 1:19 can be perfectly accurately translated by the word "Lucifer." Instead they have chosen to deliberately obscure this fact. Why?

They knew very well that 2 Peter 1:19 refers without doubt to Jesus Christ. This verse calls Jesus Christ "Phosphoros" (in Greek) or "Lucifer" (in Latin). Yet the translators have hidden this fact behind the words "day star." The facts are that "Phosphoros" has absolutely nothing to do with either "day" or "star"! The translators simply borrowed a term that is elsewhere used for Christ--namely "morning star" in Revelation 2:28 (Greek = proinos + aster) and in Revelation 22:16 (Greek = orthrinos + aster).

To translate "phosphoros" as "day star" is plain dishonesty!!!

10. Now let's look at Jerome. The phrases quoted under point #8 above are translated by Jerome into Latin as follows:

"...donec dies elucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris."

Notice that Jerome correctly translated the Greek "phosphoros" into the Latin word "lucifer." Jerome obviously knew that this verse refers to Jesus Christ--yet he wrote "lucifer" with a small "l" and did not capitalize the word. He also knew that he had translated the word "phosphoros" perfectly into Latin.



Jerome knew that in the New Testament "Lucifer" is a title for Jesus Christ; yet he still chose to also translate the less- clearly defined Hebrew word "Heylel" in Isaiah 14:12 as "Lucifer," knowing that this word referred to Satan--and here Jerome started the word with a capital "L," as can be seen from the enclosed photo-copies.

So with Jerome Satan gets a name that refers to Christ with a capital letter--and Christ gets His own name only with a small letter.

11. Now let's look at the Hebrew word "heylel"--

It is used only once in the Bible, in Isaiah 14:12. That does not give us any further insight. But "Heylel" is derived from the primitive root word "halal" It is this word that gives us understanding of what "Heylel" really means. I might add here that this is also the only way that Jerome and the English translators could come to an understanding of what "Heylel" means--by clearly understanding the meaning of the word that "Heylel" is derived from, since it is only used one single time.

12. "Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV:

117 times = Praise

14 times = Glory

10 times = Boast

8 times = Mad

3 times = Shine(d)

3 times = Foolish

2 times = Fools

2 times = Commended

2 times = Rage

1 time = Celebrate

1 time = Give

1 time = Marriage

1 time = Renowned

This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative.

There is no question that this word has a good, positive meaning. But neither is there any question that it also has a bad, negative meaning. Jerome, without the slightest proof available to him, decided to give the word "Heylel" a good, positive meaning. All the major translators into English have simply followed Jerome's lead, who was working for Pope Damascus, remember?

Anyone who has studied what God tells us about Satan, should realize immediately that Satan is--"mad, boastful, a fool and foolish and he does rage." These words with which "Halal" is translated in numerous places, fit Satan perfectly.

The very next verses in Isaiah show Satan boasting! Read Isaiah 14:13 - 14! That is why God calls him "heylel"--because he boasted!! What could be plainer?

"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high" (Isaiah 14:13-14).

Satan's "boasting" is so very obvious in these verses!

13. Now here are some of the places where "Halal" is translated as:

•"Mad" = 1 Samuel 21:13; Psalms 102:8; Ecclesiastes 2:2; 7:7; Isaiah 44:25; Jeremiah 25:16; 50:38; 51:7;
•"Fools" = Job 12:17; Psalms 75:4;
•"Foolish" = Psalms 5:5; 73:3; 75:4;
•"Rage" = Jer 46:9; Nahum 2:4;
•"Boast" = 1 Kings 20:11; Psalms 10:3; 34:2; 44:8; 49:6; 52:1; 97:7; Proverbs 20:14; 25:14; 27:1.

14. It should be very clear by now that "Heylel" has nothing to do with the words "Star" or "Day" or "Morning" or "Bringing" or "Carrying." Notice also that he is "the son (Hebrew = the product) of the morning" (Isaiah 14:12). Christ is the Morning Star and it is He who created Satan. And Satan has deceived all of mankind into giving him the exalted title, which is what it really is, and which rightfully belongs to Jesus Christ, of "Light-Bringer." One clear fulfilment of Revelation 12:9--.



15. Paul explained this in 2 Corinthians 11:14, where he tells us: "...for Satan himself is transformed (Greek = disguised) into an angel of light." Do you grasp this? He has deceived the world into believing that Isaiah 14:12 tells us that he used to hold Christ's job ( as per 2 Peter 1:19)--that he used to be an angel who was a "Light-bringer."


16. Once you get rid of the old paradigm that "Lucifer is a name that used to refer to Satan" and grasp that the Bible identifies Christ as "Lucifer" (or "Phosphoros" in Greek), the Light-bringer, then you'll be surprised how many scriptures literally flood into your mind in support of this--. e.g.

•John 8:12 = "I am the light of the world..."
•John 3:19 = "...that light is come into the world..."
•John 1:4 - 8 = "...in Him was...the light of men..."
•John 12:36 = "...believe in the light..." etc., etc..

tichan ,

I am aware of the translations of Jerome and the Latin Vulgate but do not put much stock in them. I am pretty much an AV 1611 person.

Lucifer...correct..light bringer or light bearer.

However the Hebrew of what little I know is Helel..

I am also aware of the Occult religions of Lucifer going back into antiquity. It is about these religions which I am often referring and they too are mentioned in the Word in many variations in many nations. And they too go back into antiquity.

Those religions which look to the East. And they are still with us unto today and very influential on the world stage so to speak.

The name is indeed Satan...the title of the office is Lucifer..the accuser.

The patterns and the depravity which accompany this religion of wise men goes back pre flood..into antiquity.
It is obvious that this is why the world was destroyed and in the end it will also be why this world will be destroyed again.
The attempt of world class engineers is to bring back this religious system under the guise of Eastern, Gnostic, Wise Men thinking and practice. Men of logic and reason.
To bring in the kingdom of Ishmael and move out the kingdom of Issac.
To return back to Sodom and Egypt...
To make the Children of the Bondwoman heir with the Children of the Freewoman.

It has taken me many years of observation and thinking to come to this conclusion. Ironically ..the very long path this has taken...yet the answer was right there in front of me all the time.

The passage of the Word with which I am more familiar is the one from Ezekiel where God is speaking of the King of Tyre. A lamentation on the King of Tyre. Ezekiel 28:12

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

(KJV)

If one knows the history of the Word ..and the peoples of whom the Lord describes ...it becomes obvious that this is not an ordinary king or that the religious system of this nation/city Tyre is not an ordinary system.

There are several key notes or indexes here in this passage of Ezekiel which are telling of Occult religions at work.

Fill the midst of thee with violence.

Violence is a standard index of occult religions at work. Particularly Luciferian templates.

Beauty and wisdom...the wisdom religions as they are often called. Be very careful of beauty ..often in nature it is a index of danger or poison...particularly bright colours.

Multitude of thy traffic...combined with beauty..and then violence ..appearing to be perfect.

We have seen this aplenty ..appearing to be perfect ..particularly when promoted on a gullible unknowing people by a willing and compliant MSM. Thus over the years I am given to ask what is the religion of the MSM?? They obviously and devoutly have one...and with great zeal. They most certainly function as the accusers of the Brethren...every chance they get.

My knowledge of Lucifer is that this is a title of the office. The name is Satan. The office is Lucifer. When Lucifer fell ...he lost the office.

I am also aware that in certain of the Occult religions that Satanists are looked down upon as junior league..kinder garden stuff. The real religion is the "Seething energies of Lucifer."

There are two different lights being talked about in the Word...light and Light.

If this were not so...he never would have arrived to tempt Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins..with all those kingdoms ..such that Jesus could be accused.

Thanks,
Orangetom

The Devil is God..God is the Devil
just like us mere mortals
As above, So below
created in God/Devil's image

orangetom1999 wrote:tichan ,

I am aware of the translations of Jerome and the Latin Vulgate but do not put much stock in them. I am pretty much an AV 1611 person.

Lucifer...correct..light bringer or light bearer.

However the Hebrew of what little I know is Helel..

I am also aware of the Occult religions of Lucifer going back into antiquity. It is about these religions which I am often referring and they too are mentioned in the Word in many variations in many nations. And they too go back into antiquity.

Those religions which look to the East. And they are still with us unto today and very influential on the world stage so to speak.

The name is indeed Satan...the title of the office is Lucifer..the accuser.

The patterns and the depravity which accompany this religion of wise men goes back pre flood..into antiquity.
It is obvious that this is why the world was destroyed and in the end it will also be why this world will be destroyed again.
The attempt of world class engineers is to bring back this religious system under the guise of Eastern, Gnostic, Wise Men thinking and practice. Men of logic and reason.
To bring in the kingdom of Ishmael and move out the kingdom of Issac.
To return back to Sodom and Egypt...
To make the Children of the Bondwoman heir with the Children of the Freewoman.

It has taken me many years of observation and thinking to come to this conclusion. Ironically ..the very long path this has taken...yet the answer was right there in front of me all the time.

The passage of the Word with which I am more familiar is the one from Ezekiel where God is speaking of the King of Tyre. A lamentation on the King of Tyre. Ezekiel 28:12

12Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

(KJV)

If one knows the history of the Word ..and the peoples of whom the Lord describes ...it becomes obvious that this is not an ordinary king or that the religious system of this nation/city Tyre is not an ordinary system.

There are several key notes or indexes here in this passage of Ezekiel which are telling of Occult religions at work.

Fill the midst of thee with violence.

Violence is a standard index of occult religions at work. Particularly Luciferian templates.

Beauty and wisdom...the wisdom religions as they are often called. Be very careful of beauty ..often in nature it is a index of danger or poison...particularly bright colours.

Multitude of thy traffic...combined with beauty..and then violence ..appearing to be perfect.

We have seen this aplenty ..appearing to be perfect ..particularly when promoted on a gullible unknowing people by a willing and compliant MSM. Thus over the years I am given to ask what is the religion of the MSM?? They obviously and devoutly have one...and with great zeal. They most certainly function as the accusers of the Brethren...every chance they get.

My knowledge of Lucifer is that this is a title of the office. The name is Satan. The office is Lucifer. When Lucifer fell ...he lost the office.

I am also aware that in certain of the Occult religions that Satanists are looked down upon as junior league..kinder garden stuff. The real religion is the "Seething energies of Lucifer."

There are two different lights being talked about in the Word...light and Light.

If this were not so...he never would have arrived to tempt Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins..with all those kingdoms ..such that Jesus could be accused.

Thanks,
Orangetom

The Hebrew bible or the Old Testament includes the books that God gave to Moses and to later Prophets over a period of approximately 850 years from around the time that Moses received the 10 Commandments at around 1313 BC to when the last books were written - the books of Ezra, Nehemia and Chronicles at around 450 BC.
The Hebrews starting writing on skins their history around Moses time .
However Sodom and Gomorrah happened around 2024 BC while the deluge happened way before that.

it is said that Moses wrote the first books of the Bible; Ezra wrote the last books.

However there was no written Lucifer religion since way back there was no recorded history of the Jews or of their religion.
Their religion started around 1350 BC

Some of its books are historical, others are epic stories. Some of its books are prayers, others are prophecies, while others yet are laws.


Rabbi Michael Trachtman believes that the best way to understand the Bible - the Old Testament - is to study it in its original language and meaning. If you want to understand the Hebrew Bible and its secrets - the best way is to learn it from the Jewish people who have been studying it for over 3300 years.


The stories of the Bible evolved slowly over centuries before the existence of orthodox religions. Many belief cults spread stories and myths probably handed down by oral tradition from generation to generation before people wrote them down.

Many of the stories originally came from Egyptian and Sumerian cults. All of these early religions practiced polytheism, including the early Hebrews. Some of the oldest records of the stories that later entered the Old Testament came from thousands of small cylinder seals depicting creation stories, excavated from the Mesopotamia period.

These early artifacts and artworks (dated as early as 2500 B.C.E.) established the basis for the Garden of Eden stories a least a thousand years before it impacted Hebrew mythology.


Mesopotamian Eden predates Genesis

An example of a cylinder seal depicting a Garden of Eden story. A man and woman sitting under the seven branched Tree of Life depicted in the Akkadian Cylinder Seal, 2330-2150 B.C.E. This was not written by the Jews because they did not even exists and only came into the picture 1000 years later


The Old Testament consists of a body of literature spread over a period from approximately 1450 B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E. There exists no original writings of the Old Testament. There does exist, however, hundreds of fragments from copies that became the old testament.

These fragments consist of Cuneiform tablets, papyrus paper, leather etchings and the famous Dead Sea Scrolls.

The scribes of the old testament wrote in classical Hebrew except for some portions written in Aramaic. The traditional Hebrew scribes wrote the texts with consonants but the Rabbis later added vowels for verbal pronouncing. Of course the Rabbis did their best in choosing the vowels that they thought gave the words their proper meaning and pronouncement.

In the second century C.E., or even earlier, the Rabbis compiled a text from manuscripts as had survived the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. and on this basis they established the traditional or Masoretic text, so called from the Hebrew word Massorah. This text incorporated the mistakes of generations of copyists, and in spite of the care bestowed on it, many errors of later copyists also found their way into it. The earliest surviving manuscripts of this text date from the ninth to eleventh centuries C.E. It comes mostly from these texts which religionists have used for the present Old Testament translations.

The New Testament has even fewer surviving texts. Scholars think that not until years after Jesus' alleged death that its authors wrote the Gospels. There exists no evidence that the New Testament came from the purported original apostles or anyone else that had seen the alleged Jesus. Although the oldest surviving Christian texts came from Paul, he had never seen the earthly Jesus. There occurs nothing in Paul's letters that either hints at the existence of the Gospels or even of a need for such memoirs of Jesus Christ. The oldest copy of the New Testament yet found consists of a tiny fragment from the Gospel of John. Scholars dated the little flake of papyrus from the period style of its handwriting to around the first half of the 2nd century C.E. The language of most of the new testament consists of old Greek.

2Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Ezechiel wrote this around 600 BC and way after The Garden of Eden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... ted_States

Back to the question at hand and title of this post, are we a step closer to one world religion?

The above link is very interesting, becasue it has several interresting charts, and you know how I love numbers Tichan, they have always prooved you wrong.

26 churches accross the nation read form the Quran on Sunday, to which some thought that was a nice gesture, while others thought it was something that did not belong in a worship service, for different reasons.

That said, lets look at the numbers. Please refer to the chart that lists all the different religions, and how many places of worship are listed. This is the list only for the USA, and not for the rest of the world. I wish there was a bottom line number that added them all togather, but its safe to say the total numbers of worship places in the USA is at least several hundred thousand churches and places of worship. The top few, pass 100,000 alone, so what % of the total is 26 churches, to claim this makes us close to a one world religion? I also found someplace out of 311M total population, only 2.6M are Muslim, which makes them less than 1%.

It is not even remotely a consideration we are moving to a one world order in religion.

Tichan,

Rabbi Michael Trachtman believes that the best way to understand the Bible - the Old Testament - is to study it in its original language and meaning. If you want to understand the Hebrew Bible and its secrets - the best way is to learn it from the Jewish people who have been studying it for over 3300 years.

I would be very careful about learning the Bible or even the Olde Testament from certain of Jewish people unless one knew into much of what the Hebrews got involved.

It is the same for me about going to a Bible Seminary to learn Bible. I call many of them Bible Cemetery's where they bury the Bible under Gnostic Wise men philosophies.

Same thing with a Rabbi. Would the average person know or be savvy enough to tell when they are switching to commentaries such as the Talmud to make their points or getting it from the Bible itself?? Christians have their own Talmuds too..such as Matthew Henry's commentaries.

The History is that the nations surrounding Israel and the Lands which God told the Children Of Israel to take....were defiled because of the abominations that the people in these lands were doing to themselves and in their religions. The Children of Israel were told not to do the things that the people of these lands were doing before them.

Making cakes to the Queen of Heaven.
Worshipping on the hills in the daytime and in the valleys at night.
Worshipping the creature and not the Creator.
Substituting the traditions of men for the Word of God.
As in Ezekiel 8...they put the branch to their nose.
They filled the land with violence.

What I find of irony is that many of the abominations that the nations surrounding Ancient Israel were doing..the Children of Israel did and the Jews are doing today. Also many of the Christian Churches are following these same abominations and patterns/traditions.

This is what one gets out of the Bible when one reads past the limits put on by the traditions of men.

My own sister tries to tell me that we owe a debt of gratitude to the Jews for the Jewish nature of what was left to us by them.

I don't agree...we owe a debt of gratitude to God for what He left for us and what He has preserved/instructed and taught us ..we who can see hear and understand.
She is heavy into Jewish studies. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't buy into the Jewish gratitude part.

The pattern of Lucifer is there from the beginning of the Word unto the end if you know where and how to look. It has gone under different names in different cultures but it is there. It is found in any and everything done which was told to the Children of Israel not to do or get involved into because the inhabitants of the land were already doing these abominations.In these nations surrounding Ancient Israels this was often done in rituals, festivals, and days to their various gods under different names...but the patterns were always there..not the patterns told to the Children of Israel to do.

The Children of Israel were given these specific patterns to show that they were different from the World ...from the nations surrounding them. A peculear peoples.
In this manner ..the children of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the children of the free woman.

Todays intelligence, gnostic wise men are laying the groundwork for the children of the bondwoman to be heir with the children of free woman. And many of these are preachers who should know better.

So too it is with the Christians of today.

I am not an Ishmaelite.


Greeny2,

This is a very good point about the numbers...

That said, lets look at the numbers. Please refer to the chart that lists all the different religions, and how many places of worship are listed. This is the list only for the USA, and not for the rest of the world. I wish there was a bottom line number that added them all togather, but its safe to say the total numbers of worship places in the USA is at least several hundred thousand churches and places of worship. The top few, pass 100,000 alone, so what % of the total is 26 churches, to claim this makes us close to a one world religion? I also found someplace out of 311M total population, only 2.6M are Muslim, which makes them less than 1%.

It is not even remotely a consideration we are moving to a one world order in religion.greeney2

These numbers are slated to change as more and more churches ride the wave of popular man made traditions.

However ..this which you put into perspective is also textbook of Ishmaelite positions and techniques. That this is the wave of the future and all need to get on the bandwagon.

I find this same technique of numbers and implications in the use and misuse of Califorrnia and New York in by default trying to describe all of America. That these two states somehow by default are what is America. Particularly Hollywood and the Big Apple. I find this approach disgusting in the media and popular culture. I note it often as a textbook Ishmaelite approach or default.

When they do this enough/sufficient in the news it will become popular or the current wave. Just as it was in Ancient Isreal...and here today. No thinking going on.

However...you make a good point here about the numbers. But make no mistake...someone out here is attempting to bring in a new religion.

I was trying to read through this series of Si fy books called the Dune Series. In this series they portray a world religion which their book was called The Orange/Catholic Bible. A very interesting play on words. Orange for Protestant and Catholic for Rome. This was Frank Herbert's literary way of bringing about a one world religion into the galaxie. Peoples not versed in history would probably not catch it but I did.

How many new vesions of the Bible have come out in the last say...50-75 years. Does this add clarity or confusion??

There is no other single factor outside of a people's/nations religion which will determine their economic prosperity level outside of their religion. This is why knowledge of this must be kept from peoples while governments seek to return to absolute power. Even if they must substitute one religion for another in order to reach this goal.


Thanks to both of you for your posts,
Orangetom

These numbers are slated to change as more and more churches ride the wave of popular man made traditions.

However ..this which you put into perspective is also textbook of Ishmaelite positions and techniques. That this is the wave of the future and all need to get on the bandwagon.

I think we are agreeing, but not sure what you are referring to to be honest. All I know is 26 churches doesn't add up to a fraction of .001%, and thats just the USA, not the entire world.

Tichan and I have a similar discussion in the battle forum, concerning percentages and numbers of species and a certain study that activist groups are on the bandwaggon you discribe saying a limited amount somehows gets spun into ALL, just like this. Tichen knows the post i'm talking about, and this is no different. Frabrication of a position, based on elevating the importance of a minimal amount of numbers involved. Compared to all the places of worship in the country, 26 is nothing, and certainly not a trend that indicates a worldwide movement. Thats what wrong with the internet, boloney gets spun into Gospel, and the real magnitude of what happpened gets lost in the bullshit.