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Nesaie
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 Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Jewish group wants Mormons to stop proxy baptisms |
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Hi,
I agree with the Jewish community about the Holocaust survivors. I think what the Morman church has done is wrong. I heard about this on the news, and I'm glad you posted about it Nesaie.
I think that if a individual family agreed to have their ancestor "post -baptised" then it would be a personal matter between them and the Church.
Personally I don't think this will insure the families will all be together come judgement day, like the Mormans believe, but I think the Catholic's believe you can pray for someone who has died and is in purgatory. { I might be wrong, I'm not Catholic}. Its kinda along the same line of thinking.
I say once someone has died, then that life is over, except for the memories of the deceased. They had their chance to be baptised and get right with the Lord while they were living. Things done after a person is gone only serve the living, just like furnerals, and memorials. I go to furnerals to show respect and love to the living family and friends.
Anyway, its a interesting subject.
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The dead don't give two hoots what some religion does...they just watch the ritual and laugh.  |
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Hey Item7,
When I was a kid I was baptized Mormon. I remember thinking at the time how when I grew up I wanted to get baptized for my dead grandfather, I never did it of course. But, I remember the way that concept was instilled in me by the church. The intent, I thought, was good when put up with the paradigm of the religion.
Today, I feel it is wrong to invade another person's choice of belief. That is essentially what this does. Though, those who do these practices don't see it this way. They see it as altruistic.
I also see the Jewish point of view, I wouldn't want to have somebody try and send me to me Jesus if I didn't believe he was the Jewish Messiah.
I guess, for me this is just an interesting story. I remember wanting to do something I thought was good for my dead grandfather, for altruistic reasons. Or maybe they just scared me into thinking that way. I guess even today I wouldn't care if a Mormon did that when I'm dead. I would understand the intent. |
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| The dead don't give two hoots what some religion does...they just watch the ritual and laugh. |
And you know this how? 
Hear the dead laugh often, do you?  |
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Hi,
I think your right about the good intentions of the Mormans, Nesaie. I'm guessing you wanting to help your Grandfather was done out of both love and fear. I know when I was young Hell and damnation were very real for me.
Post-baptism is a new concept for me. I never knew the Morman church practiced it. The idea of all the family being together for enternity dosen't sound like heaven to me, lol. But the idea of helping out a person who is already dead is an ancient one for sure, going as far back as there are records of religion.
But the one thing I would fight for is everyones right to choose and follow their own path. So I would have to take the side of the Jewish community in this case. Especially when the Jewish faith is so different from the Mormans.
Your right about this being interesting. It brings up all kinds of questions about faith, death, beliefs, ect. And both sides seem to have good intentions.
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OMG Item7, as I read your post there were so many things I wanted to comment on.  I wish this were a real conversation rather than a forum. But, C'est la vie.
Yeah, when I was told what I believed, my motivation was from both love and fear. I wanted the best for the Grandfather I never knew, but always heard good things about. My Grandfather did business on a hand shake. That's why he lost his business in the last depression. 
Post baptism? That reminds me of a guy I dated who said..."we need to talk". He felt guilty about having pre-marital (sex). I said it's post marital for me. I'm divorced.
I agree, it is every individual's choice to believe in what they choose. No one else has the right to decide for them. I see both sides.  |
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