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screamzero
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 Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:27 am Post subject: Swami 'Bama |
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Did you know that Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 ring leader, had a valid Florida driver’s license?
Did you know 13 of the 19 hijackers had obtained valid driver’s licenses? Armed with these licenses, eight of the hijackers even registered to vote!
Here is the shocking fact: Obama strongly supports giving illegal aliens in America driver’s licenses.
He said as much during two Democratic debates earlier this year.
The head of Homeland Security said such thinking was dangerous for national security.
Even Hillary Clinton backed away from Obama’s radical driver’s license plan.
Obama’s position is not a new one: We discovered that Obama has been a major proponent of driver’s licenses for illegals since his days as an Illinois state senator.
We have no doubt that, as president, Obama will also champion this radical plan.
With Osama bin Laden still at large, with al-Qaida promising “spectacular” attacks on the U.S homeland, with the threat of them using weapons of mass destruction against our cities — biological, chemical, and nuclear — can we risk putting such a man in the Oval Office?
Doesn’t he remember what happened on 9/11? More than 3,000 Americans were murdered.
Doesn’t he want to prevent that from ever happening again?
If he supports driver’s licenses for illegals, the answer is clear.
...but then a recent survey shows only 4% of Americans are now even concerned w/ terrorism...oh well, if sub prime doo doo can be overlooked...why care? |
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An illegal getting a valid U.S. drivers license is not what caused 9/11....even 13 of them.
And I don't support Obama, so it's not as if I'm defending him
However...I will forever believe that 9/11 would have happened when it did no matter what....of course it doesn't help that they were virtually protected every step of the way by *cough* well, you know....oh yeah that's right, it was an intelligence failure, we'll stick with that i guess.
Personally I am opposed to giving drivers license to illegals. In fact, I am opposed to the concept of illegal immigration in any case, and forced support for them as well.
But aside from that, I don't think much of anything would have prevented 9/11...of course i believe it was more "official" and pre-planned to be a solid thing. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Swami 'Bama |
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| screamzero wrote: |
Did you know that Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 ring leader, had a valid Florida driver’s license?
Did you know 13 of the 19 hijackers had obtained valid driver’s licenses? Armed with these licenses, eight of the hijackers even registered to vote!
Here is the shocking fact: Obama strongly supports giving illegal aliens in America driver’s licenses.
He said as much during two Democratic debates earlier this year.
The head of Homeland Security said such thinking was dangerous for national security.
Even Hillary Clinton backed away from Obama’s radical driver’s license plan.
Obama’s position is not a new one: We discovered that Obama has been a major proponent of driver’s licenses for illegals since his days as an Illinois state senator.
We have no doubt that, as president, Obama will also champion this radical plan.
With Osama bin Laden still at large, with al-Qaida promising “spectacular” attacks on the U.S homeland, with the threat of them using weapons of mass destruction against our cities — biological, chemical, and nuclear — can we risk putting such a man in the Oval Office?
Doesn’t he remember what happened on 9/11? More than 3,000 Americans were murdered.
Doesn’t he want to prevent that from ever happening again?
If he supports driver’s licenses for illegals, the answer is clear.
...but then a recent survey shows only 4% of Americans are now even concerned w/ terrorism...oh well, if sub prime doo doo can be overlooked...why care? |
And which president, within the last 4 years, tried to let an Arab security company, based in an Arab country with a high population of fundamentalist Wahhabi Muslims, like those in Al Qaeda, secure American ports of entry?
And which current presidential candidate, within the last 4 years, cosponsored a illegal alien amnesty bill, with the ultra liberal Ted Kennedy, and is known for being weak on border security?
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Giving drivers licenses to non-citizens is not a radical idea. It's a system that's been in place for a long time. People with student visas need to be able to drive legally and its better for them to have a gov't issued id/license than for them to be completely anonymous while behind the wheel.
Maybe a different kind of license should be issued to visiting "aliens" so when they try to get an airline ticket or go to register to vote, it will be obvious they are not US citizens. |
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Giving drivers licenses to non-citizens is not a radical idea. It's a system that's been in place for a long time. People with student visas need to be able to drive legally and its better for them to have a gov't issued id/license than for them to be completely anonymous while behind the wheel.
Maybe a different kind of license should be issued to visiting "aliens" so when they try to get an airline ticket or go to register to vote, it will be obvious they are not US citizens. |
Very good points, and i second that. |
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Giving drivers licenses to non-citizens is not a radical idea. It's a system that's been in place for a long time. People with student visas need to be able to drive legally and its better for them to have a gov't issued id/license than for them to be completely anonymous while behind the wheel.
Maybe a different kind of license should be issued to visiting "aliens" so when they try to get an airline ticket or go to register to vote, it will be obvious they are not US citizens. |
Very good points, and i second that. |
Thanks. What's that a picture of in your avatar, btw? |
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Giving drivers licenses to non-citizens is not a radical idea. It's a system that's been in place for a long time. People with student visas need to be able to drive legally and its better for them to have a gov't issued id/license than for them to be completely anonymous while behind the wheel.
Maybe a different kind of license should be issued to visiting "aliens" so when they try to get an airline ticket or go to register to vote, it will be obvious they are not US citizens. |
Very good points, and i second that. |
Thanks. What's that a picture of in your avatar, btw? |
Oh...hehe, a shadow? |
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Thanks. What's that a picture of in your avatar, btw? |
Oh...hehe, a shadow? |
Yeah but of whom? What's the relevance. Maybe there's a movie I haven't seen. I was just curious. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. What's that a picture of in your avatar, btw? |
Oh...hehe, a shadow? |
Yeah but of whom? What's the relevance. Maybe there's a movie I haven't seen. I was just curious. |
It's okay. The shadow is me. To make a long story short I only post these sorts of pictures of myself on the internet. I thought this one was particularly neat so i used it here. Let's say I have a "thing" about obscuring my visual identity. I guess it's a metaphor thing, who knows. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Swami 'Bama |
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| screamzero wrote: |
Did you know that Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 ring leader, had a valid Florida driver’s license?
Did you know 13 of the 19 hijackers had obtained valid driver’s licenses? Armed with these licenses, eight of the hijackers even registered to vote!
Here is the shocking fact: Obama strongly supports giving illegal aliens in America driver’s licenses.
He said as much during two Democratic debates earlier this year.
The head of Homeland Security said such thinking was dangerous for national security.
Even Hillary Clinton backed away from Obama’s radical driver’s license plan.
Obama’s position is not a new one: We discovered that Obama has been a major proponent of driver’s licenses for illegals since his days as an Illinois state senator.
We have no doubt that, as president, Obama will also champion this radical plan.
With Osama bin Laden still at large, with al-Qaida promising “spectacular” attacks on the U.S homeland, with the threat of them using weapons of mass destruction against our cities — biological, chemical, and nuclear — can we risk putting such a man in the Oval Office?
Doesn’t he remember what happened on 9/11? More than 3,000 Americans were murdered.
Doesn’t he want to prevent that from ever happening again?
If he supports driver’s licenses for illegals, the answer is clear.
...but then a recent survey shows only 4% of Americans are now even concerned w/ terrorism...oh well, if sub prime doo doo can be overlooked...why care? |
And which president, within the last 4 years, tried to let an Arab security company, based in an Arab country with a high population of fundamentalist Wahhabi Muslims, like those in Al Qaeda, secure American ports of entry?
And which current presidential candidate, within the last 4 years, cosponsored a illegal alien amnesty bill, with the ultra liberal Ted Kennedy, and is known for being weak on border security?
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Thanks for pointing out more reasons to give a crap. Good work. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Swami 'Bama |
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| screamzero wrote: |
Here is the shocking fact: Obama strongly supports giving illegal aliens in America driver’s licenses.
He said as much during two Democratic debates earlier this year. |
I call bullshit. Let's see Obama's quotes. |
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| I don't oppose the idea. Namely for safety reasons, citizens of another country who operate in the U.S. should carry drivers licenses for purposes of identification. It's already a problem in South Florida when they do not have drivers licenses and they are incidentally involved in auto accidents. |
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They don;t want a drivers licence! They want to drive with no identity at all so when they get into a wreck, they just disappear. I got rear ended by a car with 3 of them. They left the car sitting wrecked in the lane and walked away without saying a word. Thank God a cop, came by that very minute and got the driver. The cop told me it is illegal for them to even ask them for a green card, becasue the ACLU called that racial profiling.
Anyone that thinks an illegal mexican want to identify themselves with a drivers licence, which involves giving proof of insurance in California, is fooling themselves. They know, now, they can escape any responsibility even when a traffic death occurs, by having no ID and disappearing back into Mexico within hours. What do you think Southern Californian's have lived with for decades??? When you have been thru this several times, and your insurance goes up, as well as your drivers record showing a moving accident, you may understand, people are sick and tired of these illegals. |
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Whoa now Greeney, aren't you stereotyping? And I don't mean that to be a joke, I mean serious bona fide stereotyping.
Not all illegals are that way, we all know that. And even if you wanted to argue that your point is true, you lose automatically because you don't have first hand information.
I've always been sympathetic to anyone who wants to just make a better life for themselves, peacefully, even if it means being an illegal alien at least temporarily.
Now that I am married to a Hispanic woman, I know first hand that not all illegal aliens want to go around anonymous and free of responsibility. The biggest things that discourages illegal aliens from trying to become legal are (a) they see everyone else getting away with it, and (b) the legalization process costs thousands of dollars--it's not guaranteed even then--and takes up to several years to be decided.
I'm not faulting the system per se, I'm just citing human nature, really. I think if the shoe were on the other foot, us Americans would be equally discouraged to bust our ass to be granted a permanent visa in another country. |
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I guess I'm trying to say that as much as I love this country, human beings and families come first. If I was destitute and poor and had a wife and children to support, I would feel it my duty to do whatever I could to make that happen. If all I had to do was hop a fence and instantly my family would have food and acceptable shelter? I would do it for my family.
Did you know that many aliens are literally escaping Mexico, where, there are gangs, (check out the 'Zetas') inconceivably powerful cartels, a 95% corrupt police department and corrupt army, etc., making life so unsafe it's like the old West? In my mind it's actually unacceptable for a Father to allow his family to endure that level of danger when a better, safer life exists across the river. |
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