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greeney2
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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: All over for OJ! Guilty on all counts late Friday night! |
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OJ may spent the rest of his life in prison as the guilty verdicts for him and his friend were all guilty on every charge. The charges even if the minimum sentence was given will be upwards to 20 years or life.
I can bet you could hear the Goldmans cheer 3 states away.
Sparty, a legal question. OJ's pension could not be touched in the civil suit. Now given he will he a permanant inmate can it be attached, or can it legally still be protected? What about his home and basic possessions he will no longer need?
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Simpson convicted of robbing memorabilia dealers By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent
53 minutes ago
LAS VEGAS - Thirteen years to the day after being acquitted of killing his wife and her friend in Los Angeles, O.J. Simpson was found guilty of robbing two sports-memorabilia dealers at gunpoint in a Las Vegas hotel room.
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The 61-year-old former football star was convicted of all 12 counts late Friday after jurors deliberated for more than 13 hours. He released a heavy sigh as the charges were read and was immediately taken into custody.
Simpson, who went from American sports idol to celebrity-in-exile after his murder acquittal, could spend the rest of his life in prison.
His attorney said he would appeal.
Many people considered the four-week trial justice delayed. Simpson was cleared in 1995 of murdering his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, in one of the most sensational trials of the 20th century, but was later found liable for the deaths in a civil case.
"I don't like to use the word payback," defense attorney Yale Galanter said. "I can tell you from the beginning my biggest concern ... was whether or not the jury would be able to separate their very strong feelings about Mr. Simpson and judge him fairly and honestly."
The Hall of Fame football star was convicted of kidnapping, armed robbery and 10 other charges for gathering up five men a year ago and storming into a room at a hotel-casino, where the group seized several game balls, plaques and photos. Prosecutors said two of the men with him were armed; one of them said Simpson asked him to bring a gun.
Simpson's co-defendant, Clarence "C.J." Stewart, 54, also was found guilty on all charges and taken into custody.
Simpson showed little emotion as officers handcuffed him and walked him out of the courtroom. His sister, Carmelita Durio, sobbed behind him in the arms of Simpson's friend, Tom Scotto, who said "I love you" as Simpson passed by. As spectators left the courtroom, Durio collapsed.
Jurors made no eye contact with the defendants as they entered the courtroom. They declined to answer questions after the verdict was read.
Galanter said his client had expected the outcome, and in a courthouse conversation with an Associated Press reporter on Thursday, Simpson had implied as much.
Simpson said he was "afraid that I won't get to go to my kids' college graduations after I managed to get them through college."
Galanter said it was not a happy day for anybody. "His only hope is the appellate process," he said.
Clark County spokesman Dan Kulin said prosecutors would not comment until the case was "completely resolved."
Judge Jackie Glass made no comment other than to thank the jury for its service and to deny motions for the defendants to be released on bail.
She refused to give the lawyers extended time to file a motion for new trial, which under Nevada law must be filed within seven days. The attorneys said they needed time to submit a voluminous record.
"I've sat through the trial," Glass said. "If you want a motion for new trial, send me something."
Stewart's attorney, Brent Bryson, also promised to appeal.
"If there was ever a case that should have been severed in the history of jurisprudence, it's this case," he said of unsuccessful attempts to separate Stewart's case from Simpson's because of the "spillover" effect.
From the beginning, Simpson and his lawyers argued the incident was not a robbery, but an attempt to reclaim mementos that had been stolen from him. He said he did not ask anyone to bring a weapon and did not see any guns.
The defense portrayed Simpson as a victim of shady characters who wanted to make a buck off his famous name, and police officers who saw his arrest as an opportunity to "get" him and avenge his acquittal.
Prosecutors said Simpson's ownership of the memorabilia was irrelevant; it was still a crime to try to take things by force.
"When they went into that room and forced the victims to the far side of the room, pulling out guns and yelling, `Don't let anybody out of here!' — six very large people detaining these two victims in the room with the intent to take property through force or violence from them — that's kidnapping," prosecutor David Roger said.
Kidnapping is punishable by five years to life in prison. Armed robbery carries a mandatory sentence of at least two years behind bars, and could bring as much as 30. Sentencing was set for Dec. 5.
Simpson, who now lives in Miami, did not testify but was heard on a recording of the confrontation screaming that the dealers had stolen his property. "Don't let nobody out of this room," he declared and told the other men to scoop up his items, which included a photo of Simpson with former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.
Four other men charged in the case struck plea bargains that saved them from potential prison sentences in return for their testimony. Some of them had criminal records or were otherwise compromised in some way. One, for example, was an alleged pimp who testified he had a revelation from God telling him to take a plea bargain.
Memorabilia dealer Thomas Riccio, who arranged and secretly recorded the hotel-room confrontation, said he netted $210,000 from the media for the tapes.
Similarly, minutes after the Sept. 13, 2007, incident, one of the alleged victims, sports-memorabilia dealer Alfred Beardsley, was calling news outlets, and the other, Bruce Fromong, spoke of getting "big money" from the case.
Simpson's past haunted the case. Las Vegas police officers were heard in the recordings chuckling over Simpson's misfortune and crowing that if Los Angeles couldn't "get" him, they would.
During jury selection, Simpson's lawyers expressed fears that people who believed he got away with murder might see this case as a chance to right a wrong.
As a result, an usually large pool of 500 potential jurors was called, and they were given a 26-page questionnaire. Half were almost instantly eliminated after expressing strong feelings that Simpson should have been convicted of murder.
The judge instructed the jurors to put aside Simpson's earlier case.
In closing arguments, Galanter acknowledged that what Simpson did to recover his memorabilia was not right. "But being stupid, and being frustrated is not being a criminal," he said.
He added: "This case has taken on a life of its own because of Mr. Simpson's involvement. You know that. I know that. Every cooperator, every person who had a gun, every person who had an ulterior motive, every person who signed a book deal, every person who got paid money, the police, the district attorney's office, is only interested in one thing: Mr. Simpson." |
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| Not so sure about Nevada. They take a real dim view of someone marching into their Casinos with a gun. Its a message they mean bussiness protecting their tourism industry. |
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On sept 9th, I posted the OJ trial was beginning and said the judge made a big mistake already. She denied OJ's lawers from asking jurors if "They thought OJ was a murderer"? I beleive that is a valid question and in refusing it, leaves doubt the jury was totally impartial. This could be what gives him a retrial.
I also think Clarence was denied a fair trial becasue he was forced to be tried with OJ. Guilt by association and his reputation preceeded OJ as to public opinion of his prior guilt. That alone should allow him a retrial, as his own name was also side by side with someone the law was not going to cut any slack to. |
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The co defendant tried a bunch of times to get his own trial, but the judge consistently shot him down. They appealed all the way up, and just couldn't get it. I'm sure it will be the major focus of the appeal for him.
As to the property question, the fact that he doesn't "need" it anymore has no impact on his right of ownership. It is still his protected property, and he has the right to pass it on to his children. I'd say no, it makes no difference whatsoever in terms of the Goldman suit. In fact, it hurts them even more, because he will be less likely to get an income that can be tracked and taken. Basically he will be off the market for a number of years.
I think his sentence will not be life, because even the "victim" was calling the whole thing a setup by that Riccio character. There was no actual violence involved, the guns were never fired, and he had what seemed to be at least a partial claim of right to the property that he took. I would say 10 or so, but not life.
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Thanks Sparty.
Interresting fate of facts. The crime occured on Sept 13th. He was convicted 13 years to the day of his aquital. The jury deliberated 13 hours. The trial was 13 days long. Talk about 13 being an unlucky number, very strange how things like that happen.
My feeling is no matter how much OJ deserves a little unfairness, I hope our courts takes into consideration, that piling up 12 charges for a single crime is also not justice. I realize he did all these things, however it makes as much sence as giving someone 10 separtate speeding tickets, for going 10 miles over the speed limit. OJ did everything wrong he could have, including his own statements and news conferences. If we have a justice system, this cirme and punishment has to be completely seperate and uninfluenced no matter how big a travistry the murder trial was. He has to be treated as any one else never convicted of a crime.
That said, I don;t think Nevada will be too lienient becasue this was an embarrassment to casino security, that most people believe is flawless. He also traveled from Florida to do this crime. How does the eye in the sky allow anyone to get into a Casino armed, with a gang of guys, march right into a guest room and steal merchandise, while guests think they are safe and secure in Casino Security. Vegas has a lot of people and money, staying in their hotel rooms, and this is a crime they will not be too forgiving for.
As for the sports memorabilia guys, they are all a group is dishonest scumbags. They set this up knowing the money that would be made with tablods. They are no better than the paparazzi crowd. Togather with OJ they all did bussiness togather, undoubtly under the table, trading sports memorabia and making a lot of undeclared cash money. OJ for sure hide his income, and those guys also delt a lot of under the table deals. the entire lot of them probably should be procuted for income tax evasion, and not declaring a lot of money over the last decade. Any income OJ makes would be attached, so anything on top of his pension, could only be thru these kind of unscrupulos people. What can you possibly say to defend the character of a person who would write a "ficticious" book "If I killed my wife?can you say to defend anyone who would have regular under the table bussiness with him? |
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| the sooner that prick is pushing up daisies the better...what a human piece of garbage...nuf sed |
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| I couldn;t agree more! Its an interresting thing that, even with 90% of the population thinking he murdered two people, he is still liked in some strange way. The OJ people loved, was such a overpowering thing, people for some reason can;t separate the two. OJ was the smiling and endearing superstar for USC thru his carreer. The honey baked ham and hertz symbol of everything good. He was an american Icon for a long time. What a story of the rise to the top of the highest mountian, and to rock bottom and beyond, but still be revered by many. |
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| how could some people still like him ..probably giving the benefit of thinking he may not have killed his wife..and but now these latest charges prove how much of crude personality he actually is yet tehy still like him |
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| This whole thing is rediculous... he is inncocent! FREE OJ! |
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| This whole thing is rediculous... he is inncocent! FREE OJ! |
Blackvault drinks and posts? Who' da thunkit? 
Anyway, point taken. The man deserves prison, imho. |
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| I'm sure of one thing. OJ's wife deserved what she got, and so did that sneaky ass Goldman. |
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| Inquiring minds have to know! Why Billy? |
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| Inquiring Dad's need to know! Why is OJ innocent of this one John? |
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