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 Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: Cybernetics and a Possible Link to Roswell? |
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Some of the witnesses of the Roswell incident in 1947 claimed that they saw alien bodies. And if the story is true then that pretty much indicates that the Army Air Corps (now Air Force) went to great lengths to cover it up, once they figured out what was going on, and is continuing to do so today. Well, it seems quite reasonable that they would want to cover it up given the following possibilities.
Side note: If I called the Air Force and told them I had an alien spacecraft in my back yard would they come over lickety split or would it take 'em a while? Just asking. Anyway...
First, the "craft" which was for the most part destroyed (at least the first one), was presumably a "manufactured" piece of technology, and "manufactured" is the critical point here. The Air Force would definitely want to determine if it was manufactured on Earth or somewhere else and manufactured by who? It seems obvious that if one "person" could manufacture the craft then so could someone else and they, the government, had better figure it out first, whether it was made on Earth or not. They could not have some enterprising sole taking this material and then producing a similar craft, assuming it was even remotely possible. That would give them a staggering head start on the government (and we all know that is no no). So the Air Force had to take the stuff and put it underground and study it until they could reproduce the technology, which obviously has not yet happened, 61 years later.
Second, and the more interesting point, is that the supposed "bodies" could potentially be a similar issue given the following question. What if the bodies were also "manufactured"? Put it this way. Does it make sense that any biological species would set out across the vast distances of space, cold, lack of food and water, radiation hazards, navigation around obstacles, etc. etc. etc.? The challenges are no less than staggering. Does it not make much more sense that the aliens would create cyborgs and send them out instead? Then you could create a, for lack of a better word, robot, which would not need food, water, air, a bathroom, recreation, etc., and if they got killed along the way running into space debris, it would not be as great a loss. Hell, that's what I would do. Oh, and I almost forgot, the aliens would not want to reveal their cards, most likely. They don't want us to see them. The less we know of them, the safer they are.
If we found another planet with intelligent life on it we would not send people, until we determined it was safe to do so.
The Human race dealing with the aliens themselves, as biological entities that we could communicate with, make treaties with, ask questions of, determine the intentions of, would not be so scarey a thing. But manufactured cyborgs? That's a whole other matter entirely. We would have no way to know what we were dealing with at all, whether it was good or bad, dangerous or benign. And it would scare the piss out of the people if they found out about it, wouldn't it? Starts to make a lot of sense that they would think they needed to cover this up, and permanently. The world would demand access if they knew.
This theory fits the Roswell story pretty good. The first craft was probably an unmanned probe probably stationed in orbit, monitoring us (and most assuredly our use of nuclear weapons) not that dissimilar to the US and USSR monitoring each other during the Cold War for similar reasons. The 2nd craft may have inadvertently collided with the first craft. More than one alien? Makes sense, why would there be only one? And they probably talk to each other about as much as they talk to us, i.e. not at all. What are the odds of them running into each other?
Well, consider this. Human's suddenly gaining the technology to produce atomic weapons probably sent shock waves (literally) around the universe or at least the galaxy. I'll bet they detected our atomic weapons tests and they had to come and investigate fast. I'm betting that we were not supposed to be that advanced yet. And having so many different aliens poking their heads in our atmosphere put their craft at greater than normal risk. Add one nasty storm and presto! accident. They probably lose craft from time to time, so using cyborgs makes good sense. Why do I say that? Well, if you believe the scene shown in the made-for-tv movie, Roswell, they show a crater and a debris field. I got the impression from that scene that the craft exploded AFTER it hit the ground. Meaning: the ship, which detected the crash, activated a self-destruct mechanism.
True, I may be jumping to conclusions but it does make sense. The aliens would plan for the inevitable equipment failure and not want us puny humans gaining access to their technology. Apparently, it worked, 61 years later and we still haven't pieced it back together. What that says about the "other" craft I don't know. Other aliens with less paranoia or a complete failure and the ship failed to self-destruct as it was supposed to do (lucky us huh)? Trojan horse?
Some interesting questions to ask:
What do the aliens plan to do next if they know we got their ship(s)?
If they can create cyborgs that appear in most, if not all, respects as living beings then what else can they do? What else have they done? Hint: The movie made some statements along these lines. And that's a big subject all by itself.
If we do reverse engineer their technology and we pay them a visit how will they respond (assuming we were smart enough and dumb enough to do that)?
Are we the only intelligent mammals? No description of aliens I've ever heard makes them sound like mammals.
What if the alien planet is nothing but "machines", and perhaps that is what all species eventually "evolve" into?
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What if a piece of sophisticated equipment destined to fly high over Russian airspace to check to see if they are testing nuke weapons came down over Roswell ?.... they covered it up because residents at the time were worried that a test craft could crash into a school/ public area & kill many?
What if the so called alien bodies were actually chimpanzees trained to press buttons at any given verbal radio command. On crash landing the test craft court fire & the chimps had their hair burned off. Chimp skin is grey in colour… head swells/ eyes pop out due to the heat… pheeew would look very strange I think….
What if a piece of grilled pork or a bag of fries crashed at Roswell? I’m sure someone REALLY knows what happened (whatever it was) but unfortunately we aint one of them  therefore
We could go on forever pontificating! Good post TNuke….Yep, your theory could be true, who knows  i dont that's for sure  |
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| Chimpanzees have been known to threaten our national security. Well that explains the cover up. Better keep that under your hat. |
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| Chimpanzees have been known to threaten our national security. Well that explains the cover up. Better keep that under your hat. |
nope you've lost me  .. your point is? |
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| Chimpanzees have been known to threaten our national security. Well that explains the cover up. Better keep that under your hat. |
nope you've lost me .. your point is? |
I always chuckle at the responses I get when discussing this subject. At the end of the day people pretty much believe what they want to believe and unlike Mulder's famous poster most people do not want to believe, not really. So they come up with kooky alternate theories that are even more unlikely than the proposed theory. Swamp gas, the planet Venus, weather balloons, crash test dummies, and the ever present threat to national security - temperature inversion.
The Roswell story has had hundreds of witnesses come forth. That implies there is at least a shred of truth to the story. No I am not a direct witness to anything at Roswell. I am merely trying to use rational thinking to propose an explanation for the evidence that has been presented.
The truth does not threaten the world. Its lies that do that. And if this story is true then you should be very concerned that the US government has access to technology that would give them absolute power. |
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| Chimpanzees have been known to threaten our national security. Well that explains the cover up. Better keep that under your hat. |
nope you've lost me .. your point is? |
I always chuckle at the responses I get when discussing this subject. . |
Yeah me too….. I thought you were putting forward a “theory”  oh silly me  I also put forward a few “theories” in response to your interesting post, but if I’d known that you were just shouting ya mouth off because you feel you know best then I wouldn’t have feckin bothered, Oh enlightened one  |
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| Don't take things so personally. I WAS putting forth a theory and that was the original point. I thought my theory was worthy of discussion. Instead I got what I thought was what amounted to derision. You can put forth any theory you like but your post did not sound serious. Chimpanzees? Are you being serious? If so then that is not worth much discussion. On the other hand, aliens sending cyborgs to spy on us is worth a bit more trouble. |
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YES chimpanzees!!!! 1946 onwards the authorities were using chimps to control equipment via radio commands. WHAT?!?!? You didn’t know this???? You should do your research Sherlock before you shout ya mouth off!! Like I do!
My “chimpanzee” theory compared to your “aliens sending cyborgs to spy on us” theory???? Maybe we’re both mad & delusional? What do you think? |
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And he thought Matt Broderick's movie was based on a Hollywood fantasy...
Point: National Security was (and still is) a top priority, not a sideline. General Tibbets took the truth to the grave with him; never forget that Roswell Field was the home of the 509th Bombing Wing, and at that time the ONLY nuclear-certified bomb wing in the world, free or otherwise.
Point: Dejarma's chimp theory is plausible based on what we've been allowed to learn about such testing so far. Sounds ridiculous, but we weren't the only country conducting advanced experiments with primates.
Hypothesis: It was a Bent Spear/Broken Arrow event concerning an early hydrogen bomb possibly loaded on one of Jack Northrop's Flying Wing prototypes (there were so many!); most New Mexican farmers had never seen aircraft-grade alloys up close.
(Info: Bent Spear=incident involving nuke without release of radioactive materials.
Broken Arrow=as above WITH radiation release, up to and including detonation.
Tequila=effective short-term antidote for nuke-related fears.  )
Humor: It was us Martians; one of our saucers drifted free of its moorings on the dark side of the Moon when a giant flashlight operated by Jovians startled one of our Venusian slaves which was responsible for refilling the swamp gas dispensers. This incident set back our Earth research nearly 25 Plutonian minutes, at a cost of over 133 million 'Saturns' (English for Martian currency denomination, total about &49.95 in Euros). The light from Jupiter reflected off a Venusian, diffused by swamp gas, caused Earthlings to see a Martian weather balloon!
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Hmmm I think it´s a good theory saying that the aliens would probably send Cyberorganisms first to investigate things.
Although this is much human base because that´s what we plan to do...if people don´t blow up the planet first....yeah...
Those bodies could have been cybernetic and maybe could explain to why technology has been so rapidly evolved in the last 60 years...
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The chimp theory does not match the testimonial evidence, and how the hell does a chimpanzee threaten national security? Why would they still be covering up a chimp program??? Maybe they just don't want to piss off PETA.
And the explanation implied by chimp theorist dejarma, which I assume alludes to the chimp explanation by government mis-information specialist in the movie, Roswell, does not fit within the laws of physics.
That theory says that the chimps' heads had swollen up due to depressurization. As Ace Ventura would say, reeeeaaalllly? The pressure in the earth's atmosphere is a whopping 14.7 psi at sea level. Space is at 0 psi. That leaves a delta P of 14.7 psi. Your head nor a chimp's head is gonna swell up due to that delta P. Sorry. Ever dive down to the bottom of your swimming pool? Did you head swell up when came back up?
And anybody knows what a chimp looks like (even without hair) and those who saw the bodies say they were nothing like chimps. And according to the famous chimp theory, their hair had been burned off. Burned off by what? Nobody saw anything that had burned. I've seen aircraft wreckage up close and you do get bits and pieces all over but you can easily see whats burned.
And those who saw the first site said the thing was almost obliterated. Lots of tiny little pieces. Aircraft crashes don't usually look like that. Even the Columbia had big pieces land on people's property and it fell from space. The thing probably had a self-destruct, like I mentioned before. So it is very unlikely that any chimp would be more than a stain in the grass (at least at the first site).
But, Brazzel said, "they're not green". Uh oh! Whoopsy daisy. How the hell did Brazzel know that? There were no bodies at the 1st site and the 2nd site wasn't on his land. Not likely the military showed him the bodies from the 2nd site. Must have been poetic license taken in the movie for simplification. Otherwise there is a problem with his testimony.
And how do you explain the material that could not be cut?
"Chimps invent new indestructible metal. Fly to Mars but crash on return."
Yes, I can believe that some time in the 1950's we may have trained chimps to sit in a cockpit and push a button when they saw something they were trained to look for (i.e. the target). But chimps actually flying the aircraft, nope. Otherwise we should all get chimps to chauffeur us around. |
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That theory says that the chimps' heads had swollen up due to depressurization. . |
Whos theory is that then? my theory suggests the heads had swollen due to the heat! So depressurization?????? Where did you get this from?..........& just for the record: I’ve shaved many animals over the years to take blood samples when I worked for the R.S.P.C.A >>>& believe me, a chimps skin colour IS grey: FACT!!!!!!! It’s NOT open for debate here!!!
Who said they didn’t look like chimps? Why (if chimps had nothing to do with this incident) would the word “chimps” be brought into the conundrum? What are you waffling on about!??
The chimp theory is just a tongue in cheek theory of mine; one of many hundreds I could come up with on the spur of the moment!!!
The problem with the Roswell case is the same as many:
There is a good chance that what the authorities claim happened is really the truth  .. the problem you’ve got TNuke is people like you will never have a settled soul because no matter what you’re told you’ll never believe it unless it’s something you want to hear! Personally my soul is settled regarding the Roswell incident, but if you feel the need to carry on pontificating over it then please: go for it! Though I’d suggest leave it & move on; simply because you will never REALLY know what happened, aliens or not |
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there was no alien crash at roswell
do u really think ET's would send a craft millions of miles (or even bend space) and then it just crash |
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there was no alien crash at roswell
do u really think ET's would send a craft millions of miles (or even bend space) and then it just crash |
It happened to the Titanic,
Things happen. |
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That theory says that the chimps' heads had swollen up due to depressurization. . |
Whos theory is that then? my theory suggests the heads had swollen due to the heat! So depressurization?????? Where did you get this from?..........& just for the record: I’ve shaved many animals over the years to take blood samples when I worked for the R.S.P.C.A >>>& believe me, a chimps skin colour IS grey: FACT!!!!!!! It’s NOT open for debate here!!!
Who said they didn’t look like chimps? Why (if chimps had nothing to do with this incident) would the word “chimps” be brought into the conundrum? What are you waffling on about!??
The chimp theory is just a tongue in cheek theory of mine; one of many hundreds I could come up with on the spur of the moment!!!
The problem with the Roswell case is the same as many:
There is a good chance that what the authorities claim happened is really the truth .. the problem you’ve got TNuke is people like you will never have a settled soul because no matter what you’re told you’ll never believe it unless it’s something you want to hear! Personally my soul is settled regarding the Roswell incident, but if you feel the need to carry on pontificating over it then please: go for it! Though I’d suggest leave it & move on; simply because you will never REALLY know what happened, aliens or not |
Then why are you here trying to debunk my theory? If you don't care about the subject then you are in the wrong place. This forum is for the discussion of UFO's. It is not for "bash anyone with a theory". Why would you come here just to chastise people who are using their intellect to discuss UFO phenomena?
One of the prime movers driving the continued belief that the US and other governments are hiding information about UFOs is the stunt you just pulled. You seem driven to dispel any theory about UFOs being alien. That by itself is just plain odd. Somebody is signing your paycheck. |
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