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okiejack
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"A former American overseer of Iraqi prisons says several dozen inmates who were members of Saddam Hussein's military and intelligence forces boasted of helping transport weapons of mass destruction to Syria and Lebanon in the three months prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom."
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You and I know that Okie.
That's why we haven't had a problem supporting this war. I would never had been behind this had I not thought there where WMD'S there. Everyone knew it . Including all the dems who now say Bush lied about them.Thats what makes them so pathetic.
We will find out some day where they ended up. I pretty much figure Russia helped them get to Syria,and Lebanon. That's why history will shine brightly on President Bush.He did what needed to be done.
The dems just want to have it both ways. They supported it when it fit their agenda,then when they realized President Bush may actually get credit for doing something right,they had no choice but to change their veiws.Thats what all the backtredding,and shifting of direction was about. That is why all the name calling started on Bush, diversion was their motive.It almost cost us the war in Iraq.It cost us many allies, and support for our President.by being so childish.
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I said a long long time ago, this is like the pea game with 3 nutshells. If the pea isn't under 1,2,or 3, the pea was not on the table, it was moved. Either the pea was hidden underground, like aircraft that were totally buried, or they were moved out of the country.
If this is true, and they do in fact find them, I wonder how many people will admit they were wrong, and truly hurt this country, with their Bush bashing?
Anyone who is half the liar they all claim Bush is, would have either staged a fake find, never turned in hundreds of millions found in cash several times, or admitted the mobile labs were not for WMD . |
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| Man, any body w/ any linear thinking capacity figured that out easily. Good of you to present us all with that Fact, E, this needs to be way out in the open; and Bloodstone's point about the Liberal's obfuscation of information in this dangerous and important matter of the American effort against terrorist liars is another fine example of seeing the obvious. This truth slams the Liberal quagmires of bait and switch rhetoric as well as E's article pointing out the enemy hiding evidence (go figure) from us. Keep hammering gents. |
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Pre-War Quotes from Democrats
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998.
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002.
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003. |
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 I've always believed Saddam's WMD's were moved into Syria just prior to the war but I don't believe the WMD's were the sole reason Bush chose to invade Iraq. |
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yeah, and IF you've ever played the shell game, then you know who the sucker is...
and you all should learn not to follow the schill..
it's an old game..
just like the ones before bill who sold it all to them...
wake up. as scream would say... |
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| I've always believed Saddam's WMD's were moved into Syria just prior to the war but I don't believe the WMD's were the sole reason Bush chose to invade Iraq. |
Now that I can agree with ! .... But also know that If G.W. Bush had another reason. Everyone still voted for it. Even if he had the other reason, It was still agreed that Saddam had WMD'S.
It was still Saddam who had every chance to come clean, That's all we where asking. And he still refused, and kept it up. He alone could have stopped it, he didn't.
That's why I still agree with G.W.Bush on this one. He can't be called a liar if it's true. Even if he did have another motive.
And I have to say it's refreshing to hear someone finally say what they mean. Good job!!!!
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Question about the WMDs that Saddam allegedly transferred to Syria shortly before the US invaded (and while the US would have been closely observing.):
Were any of these WMDs part of those that the US supplied Saddam with?
Were any of these WMDs paid for with money given to Saddam by the US?
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| If this is true, and they do in fact find them, I wonder how many people will admit they were wrong, and truly hurt this country, with their Bush bashing? |
I'd guess the same number of people that will admit they were wrong if they never find them. |
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Thank you Bloodstone!
Observing what Hansdew? Trucks on the road from a satelite, that is normal? |
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| greeney2 wrote: |
Thank you Bloodstone!
Observing what Hansdew? Trucks on the road from a satelite, that is normal? |
Yes. Kinda like the photos that discredited Colin Powell. I guess we were observing the wrong trucks, huh?
By the way, you skipped these Q's. Why?
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Were any of these WMDs part of those that the US supplied Saddam with?
Were any of these WMDs paid for with money given to Saddam by the US?
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Disclaimer: Everything written in this post is a matter of my opinion.
My support for the war, though hesitant, never hinged entirely on Saddam's WMDs should they have ever existed or not.
As much as the US and Bush would not like to admit it, the whole "shell game" very well could have been Saddam pretending to have WMDs. Which if true obviously backfired on him... though admittedly it has backfired on the West too... at least in the early stages.
No, my support for the war has always been among other things, because I want the West to establish a strong presence in the Middle East and I want the scourge of religious-based terrorism (concentrated mainly among Islam-fact) to be eradicated.
I've used a similar metaphor before... when there is a nest full of angry hornets under your mailbox.. do you continue to risk getting stung everytime you get your mail, or, do you go knock it down and destroy it? The latter is the only proper answer though in the beginning you may get hurt more than you intended. You can't continue to just let the nest grow and grow and present more and more of a danger until finally you aren't capable of doing anything about it.
There might be arguments among us as to why the hornets are angry... maybe the US pissed 'em off. I don't know all the answers and frankly it just doesn't matter anymore (because this is centuries in the making, the responsible parties are flat-out dead). The fact is, someone had to pull up their boot straps and go over there and take a flamethrower to that god-awful hornet's nest. Enter George Bush.
It could be decades before the hornets are reduced in number so that anyone within reach (missile range) can rest easier... but someone had to give this a shot and George Bush is that kind of guy... a guy that America put in office and then re-elected for another 4 years.
The US did it just like they always do it... they went in, guns blazing, shooting first and asking questions later. As with any war, many innocent people were injured or even killed.
But look at how crazy these fanatic religious nuts in the region are... they slaughter dozens of innocent people, intentionally almost everyday. And they love it and can't wait to do it again! Those kinds of people simply forfeit any right to life and by the way they WELCOMED this war with open arms. It was their goal.
As much as people carry on about how us crazy evangelical Christians look forward to Jesus' 2nd coming... I wonder why we don't hear a single PEEP out of them when it comes to the sickening disposition of the fanatic extremist Muslims who have done everything in their power to produce the next Caliphate... at the intentional expense of countless innocent people's lives.
Anyway as usual I got sidetracked.
I really don't know if George Bush lied when he said he personally believed WMDs existed. But I do know he was fully supported in the US and stated a pretty good legal case for war. And my personal support for it is not to be mistaken for personal support for George Bush himself, either. No, my hope in all this, though I realize it's a gamble and that's unfortunate, is that the West amass a presence and a force big enough in the Middle East to rid the world of the extremist-fanatic-Islamoreligious whatever-terrorist threat and KEEP it diminished eternally... and I can't see it taking any less than 15 years to accomplish. As much as the citizens of the Middle East may not want our presence here, if they could have just cleaned up their own mess and quit looking the other way when their extremists declared war on the rest of the world, this might not have happened. Yep that's right, the War on Terror is the West's ugly answer to a problem that the Middle East let grow out of control, putting the whole Western Civilization at increasing risk. Something had to be done. If not now, later. And later would have been uglier. Later might have required nukes.
Iraq, as part of the axis of evil, certainly DESERVED to be liberated, and it was the least risky venture ("weakest link") to take in order to establish a presence among the 'axis.' Iraq to me was always a means to an end. People say Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Maybe not directly, but 9/11 pissed America off just enough to start a long, risky, bloody, ugly campaign to make the world a safer place for all decent people. Iraq is a starting point; a stake in the ground.
And after all that, who knows.... there definitely is a great case for WMDs, and I know for a fact there was a flurry of logistical activity going on between Iraq and Syria just before the war... so the legal, binding evidence for war may very well exist. I hope it exists for the sake vindicating all those Democrats and Republicans who supported the war. But then again I hope they don't exist because that would mean they are in the hands of someone else who hates us.
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I forgot one of the biggest, if not the biggest reason I supported the invasion of Iraq. And that is, the hope that the Iraqi people would embrace their liberation and give Democracy a chance. We all know that if that happened, it would create a firestorm in the Middle East. If Iraq succeeds as a Democracy, it would cause the people (especially the women!) in nearby countries to reevaluate their own way of life... and stand up to their oppressors. Imagine a Middle East 30 years from now where women are allowed to show their face, and aren't murdered for being raped and defiled. If that--or something close to it--doesn't happen in the future, I will consider the war on terror a total loss.
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The WMD were there and some of them we found there in Iraq. Saddam, even without WMDs, needed to go. There are other governments around the world that need to clean up their act and if they don't the rest of us need to help them.
The USA funded Saddam and some of that money more than likely was spent on WMDs. But I don't see the problem that some people have with the USA funding enemies of our enemies. At the time it was the smart thing to do. Then Saddam started biting our hand and we took him out partly because we were partly responsible for his power.
Etraveler, Thanks for posting those quotes from the Democrats again, admitting that Saddam had WMDs. The Democrats are the ones that did the lying. It is a sad thing that there are a few people who can't remember what the Democrats said back then. I guess that's probably about 10% that believed the Democrats. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Saddams WMDs |
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| okiejack wrote: |
Quote from article:
"A former American overseer of Iraqi prisons says several dozen inmates who were members of Saddam Hussein's military and intelligence forces boasted of helping transport weapons of mass destruction to Syria and Lebanon in the three months prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom."
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If that's what happened to the WMDs that Saddam had, then that would mean that Syria now has them ... using the same logic that your present adminstration used to invade Iraq that (they had WMDs), then it only goes to reason, that you should invade Syria because they have WMDs.
So why haven't you invaded Syria to rid them of those same WMDs?
I'll tell you why, because Bush and his cronnies are buddies with the powers that be in Syria.
Pure insanity. |
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ok ok ok..
they're in..........
lessee..
AFGANISTAN!!!!!
that's it!
no, wait.......we're already there...
fighting for freedom, for those poor people........ok..
wait.....
PAKISTAN!!
no, wait............
uh..............
no, they already got them......and we need them..........and we can't assassinate anymore of their leaders for a bit......
so................
IRAN!!!!!!!!
that's IT!!!!!
IRAN!!!!!!!!
boy.
that was a hard one! |
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