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LilyPat
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Any site devoted to combatting government secrecy should have at least one informational thread devoted to the subject of mind control. If you look in the FOIA archives here, you’ll find the Church Committee Hearings on MKULTRA--the primary source of official info on the CIA’s abuse of human rights. Everyone here who’s interested in that subject should take a look at them. I've lost my bookmark for a more readable transcript of them, so if anyone knows of one online, please post a link to it.
There are hints there about the early trauma-based programs that a couple of us are survivors of, too. But they remain, all these years later, the deepest, most closely-guarded secret that the US government (and their Shadow Government puppet masters) hold. They protect this information with sophisticated disinformation campaigns, including using victims to spread the disinfo--Cathy O’Brien comes immediately to mind, but she’s not the only one, by a long shot, and I think believes that she’s telling the unvarnished truth.
To me, the rational response to this problem is to simply hear us out and reserve judgment on what is truth and what may be disinfo fed to us to mislead the public and to discredit ourselves. Happens all the time, as the more credible survivors, like Kathleen Sullivan, have tried to make clear. (She was convinced she was an alien abductee for many years before she finally got beneath that implanted screen memory and recognized the human beings who'd actually been responsible for her missing time.)
But please do hear us out, because otherwise you’re allowing yourselves to be manipulated by the Controllers. That’s what their wildly successful “snicker factor” campaign is designed to do--keep you from even hearing the stories of MC program survivors. If you react with kneejerk ridicule and insult, then the Bad Guys win and the survivors are revictimized...all without the actual program operatives even having to lift a finger. You do their very dirty work for them.
Please feel free to post links, but also, IF you feel comfortable doing so, please post your own experiences, since, without knowing the details of how the programs operate, victims (called “slaves” by their handlers/owners) will never become aware of their real circumstances and never have the opportunity to put a name to their oppressors or to free themselves. But no one has to de-cloak if they’re not comfortable with that. Lurk and PM anyone for whom you have a question.
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I'm appending several links to mind control summary sites that I posted earlier in the Battle Forum (to little avail) for those actually interested in the history of mind control corruption and how it is affecting all of us today.
What began as an ancient cultural occult practice grew horrifically with Nazi death camp experiments on the limits of human endurance - all towards racial purity eugenic research and the creation of a human slave super weapon. It then came over to North America with German scientists in Project Paperclip and grew to CIA-sponsored research using trauma-based mind control programming using innocent children as victims, as well as immigrants, prisoners and "expendable" captives in the USA and Canada with official government "black project" funding.
It involves splitting victims' minds under torture into multiple personalities, or Dissociative Identities (alters), and the programming of alters including hypnotically-induced assignments that create assassins, espionage, sex slaves, suicidal warriors, drug couriers and children as blackmail bait for pedophiles.
The controllers who still infest the pinnacles of power globally got there with the use of mind control victims.
Mind control is a deeply disturbing covert corruption that has grown into the capability today of technological manipulation of entire groups and populations using remote transmissions and mass media delivery of subliminal programming.
It finally needs to be disclosed, exposed and stopped.
While it sounds incredible, you can read about how real it is. Start here:
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/dmcgmindcontrol101july01.shtml
http://www.aches-mc.org/monarch.html
http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/mk-ultra.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/mind_control_index.htm
http://www.empty-memories.nl/www_14.html
http://www.graphics.glassmarble.com/ghome/polgal/soapbox/mindcontrol.html
http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/operatio.htm
http://naffoundation.org/Prisoner%20Abuse%20&%20MC.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/gall.html
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project098.html
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/greenbaum.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/mkultracia.html
http://www.iahf.com/20000824.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a071408334a.htm
http://myweb.cableone.net/mtilton/mindsecretstate.html
http://www.alienlovebite.com/identi-mc-abduct.htm
http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/napa.htm#1
http://www.nemasys.com/~ghstwolf/rahome/library/programming/mkultra.shtml
http://www.ra-info.org/related/programming.shtml
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/mkultra-0001.htm
http://www.michael-robinett.com/declass/c000.htm
http://nesara.insights2.org/Monarch.html
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Okay, I'll play.
My first question to all MC victims is how can you tell when someone
is lying about their supposed history of mind control? It's a serious
and legitimate question that certainly some MC victims have encountered.
It's easy for anyone at all to connect to the internet, claim all sorts of
strange things using their keyboard and wave their hands in the air
vigoroiusly to say "Hey, Look at me! Look at me!". How do you seperate
the true MC victims from the frauds?
Respectfully,
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LilyPat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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bloo, I look for keywords in their stories and for something that's difficult to describe--kind of a feeling I get from the way they express themselves and seem to feel about things that I know from experience are "program". I'm not saying that I have any infallible 6th sense about them or anything, but I do look for stuff that just rings true to me.
Not all the folks who believe they're government mind control program actually are--some are victims of intergenerational sexual abuse with so many holes in their memories that they honestly don't know for certain who it was abusing them. Not all Satanic Ritual Abuse survivors were in the government programs, though many were, for one example.
The trauma-based programs depended upon the ability of the child to dissociate, so you'd think you could just ask a person who self-identified as a government mind control survivor if they were DID/MPD (multiple personaltied).....Except that if they were expertly programmed, that missing time can be hidden so well that they're unaware of it. Often, if their primary abuser is still alive, they will have no awareness of alters at all. None.
I was 57 and my mother had just died when an alter calling herself "Lily" appeared each time I walked and listened to music. It took me a while to even admit to myself that the other woman in my head was an alternate personality. I'd had missing time all my life, but hadn't been willing to tell a shrink about it, for fear of being put into a mental institution. Lily had the strangest memories--of being prostituted to really prominent conservative politicians that I'd never met, for one example. Imagine my shock when I found out about Cathy O'Brien and Sue Ford's memories of 2 of the exact same men.
Then one day Onesmartrat showed up at Unknown Country and I found out that she could explain every single mystery in my life--everything--and she said it was government mind control. Or, actually, a series of programs--some of us got passed around and transferred between them. And between owners, too. After I was accessed and the flow of memories was stopped, I began at last to read the survivor literature and hundreds of weird things that I'd not told anyone were explained completely....details too bizarre for *anyone* to make up.
I have a feeling that if anyone tried to fake that process, I'd know it. It's happened to me over the past 2 years and the whole thing is very fresh in my mind and vivid. It's all laid out in a humongous thread at Unknown Country called the When there are witness [sic] thread. I've kept it alive for over 2 years so that other survivors can have access to the information in it.
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"_____-kind of a feeling I get from the way they express themselves ___"
Interesting proof. I'd like it if you describe this "feeling" more accurately? |
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Thank you Lily, for your sincere reply. Seperating the frauds and the confused victims from the legitimate government laced MC victims must be a daunting task. It's easy to see how some sexual and satanic ritual abuse victims could easily be confused and think they were, at one time in their past, part of the MK Ultra projects.
My next question (and I have plenty of them, believe me) has to do with aliens.
I've read some statements from MK/MC victims that the grays (the aliens) are in fact robots and/or children that were recruited by "the project" to aide in abduction scenarios. Can you explain to me how the MK Ultra project managed to pull that off? Again, I am asking sincerely, all-be-it selfishly, as I'm wondering how MK Ultra managed to pull that little trick off, all across the land. There are thousands & thousands of abductees, especially from the 60's and 70's. Many of these abductees post at the BV. At the time of their abduction experiences, they lived all across the US and across the world.... Alaska, Australia, California, Great Britian... you get the idea. How could the MK Ultra project possibly pull off all these abductions using grays/robots and children recruits when the abductions were so widely scattered?
Again... Thank you for your time in answering my terribly worded questions. I'm looking forward to your explanation on this one (or if any other MC victim wishes to answer, by all means... chime on in).
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| I've gotta say, on the internet, one has to suspend disbelief (somewhat) just to have a conversation. How do you know ANYONE is telling the truth? For all I know, someone who goes on about being a lawyer (I crossed paths with a few, on line), is making it up. Don't you just have to employ some kind of faith that people are, usually, honest? Lol, maybe I'm totally in lala land on this. jmo. |
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bloo's question first (mainly because I have even less idea how to answer okiejack's  )--some people (OSR and Martin Cannon, for two of 'em) believe that all alien abductions are screen memories for MC program accessings/ops. I, on the other hand, am not so certain of that.
For many years I self-identified as an alien abductee (to explain my missing time) and I've met a lot of them, both online and in the so-called Real World. Not all of their stories sound to me like the screen memories of MC victims. There have been some abduction accounts that I've heard that sounded truly *alien* to me. Subjective, I know, but all I've got when it comes to this stuff is my "feelings" and my intellect. There ARE no experts, though a lot of people present themselves as being experts.
The ones that I really, truly feel are likely to be MC screen memories are the "Kindly Space Brothers" ones, where the abductee is *Chosen* and *Loved* and ***Special***  And the aliens are strangely human in their beneficent interest in solving all of our problems. A truly alien being is going to be so alien that warm, fuzzy feelings are highly unlikely to be involved in our interactions.
Another tip-off to me is the presence of so-called Nordics. Has no one noticed their startling resemblance to the Aryan ideals of those Project Paperclip Nazi scientists who really kicked off the US mind control programs?! I once lost over an hour and the first people I saw afterwards were 3 Nordics, standing grinning at me beside a SuperShuttle van, in El Cerritto CA. Except that I checked and SuperShuttle did not have a van in El Cerritto that day and in fact didn't serve the East Bay at all back then.
My abductee friends all were excited over my "alien abduction" but I was very uneasy about it. I think what it was was a program accessing set up to suggest to me (the alien abductee) that I'd been taken by Nordics. Something about it just wasn't right...and I mean BESIDES the fact that no non-human is going to look human. That's not the way species evolve--it's wildly against chance to think that a being who evolved on another planet, in the light of a different star, is going to resemble us even infinitesimally.
But--have aliens visited here? Very possibly. Might they have taken some samples to study? Why not? It's what we'd do if we visited a comparatively primitive world. But do they look like little protohumans or tall Aryans? C'mon!
And then there's the fact that if you look at the result of believing in Kindly Space Brothers, you see people ignoring the evil human programs to focus instead on the Gee! Wow! Cool *aliens* and becoming essentially more passive as their alien gurus tell them what to believe. I just don't trust that--it plays too neatly into the Controller's plans.
Now to okiejack's question--have you ever had someone tell you a really unusual, even bizarre, story, but you just KNEW that they were totally on the level? Like that. (Sorry. I'll think more on it and try to be more specific)
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| I was thinking that maybe its not right to expect verification of all parts of an MC survivor's story. Is it possible that an MC survivor may have some memories that are not real, though they believe them to be? Supposedly, if people can plant programs into a persons mind, they could do the same with memories as well? |
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Also, okie, if any of us had *proof* we'd be talking to the highest-ranking politicians we could find and simultaneously filing lawsuits against the alphabet agencies who oversaw the crap that was perpetrated against us.
Our closest thing to proof is the fact that so many of us had extremely similar things happen to us, even though we never met and most of us had no contact with other survivors until we had many memories figured out on our own. Most of us are very leery of hypnosis, so the whole FMSF disinfo/spin is totally invalid in our cases.
But that's not proof. We're all looking hard for real proof, believe me.
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dangermite, that is the single greatest obstacle to our ever proving our cases. The truth is that the hypnosis and drugs and expert programming used on us IS capable of implanting extremely realistic screen memories.
That's something that many MC survivors get very upset and defensive about, but it HAS to be addressed before anyone is going to take us seriously. My approach is to take very seriously any information that my own alter system is able to get to me, but NOT to believe it to be true just because that alter thinks it happened to them.
The fact that Lily apparently recalls many things that O'Brien and Ford also recall doesn't mean that we're all correct--it means we've received very similar programming. And it MAY be memories of real events or it may be of scenarios fed to us deliberately to discredit our testimony.
Most alters are pretty limited people--they were designed to be compliant, for one thing. Lily is as well-developed as Sue Ford's main Beta alter, Sharon, but most alters are not that complex. Because Lily honestly believes something happened just does not convince me 100% that it did. She's very young (early teens) and extremely eager to please.
Most survivors differ from me there, but I really want the real story--not what some handler wants me to believe. I've had some brilliant handlers, too--scientists--and if you think they lack imagination, you're nuts. Enormous creativity went into the programming of many of us "early models"....
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In response to the question of how do you know which MC victims are real, I can also attest to not fully confirming my own involvement until I was able to connect my known history and that of my siblings and their corroborating recall with specific events, times, locations and mind control disclosure documentation elicited from the government and CIA.
As an adult I was diagnosed with PTSD that the psychiatrist sourced to unidentified child trauma, which in turn propelled my research into a childhood where I was interviewed, recruited and tested at a children's summer camp by government officials connected with Project Magnet. That led to remembering and verifying with other family members an Air Force "uncle" who took me and my siblings to The Allan Memorial Institute at McGill University in Montreal, and to other trips to St. Mary's basement labs. That, in turn connected with the 1957-1964 period of Dr. D. Ewen Cameron's CIA-sponsored testing of children there under MK Ultra.
Detailed and extensive research also involved the Duplessis Orphans similarly exploited and programmed in that milieu. A medical also revealed x-rayed skull scars from procedures corresponding to Cameron's known techniques (helmet nodes & probes, etc.).
This link is just one of many mentioning MK ULtra in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA#Origins
So, the way I try to verify the validity of other MC victim stories is by checking their chronologies and experiences against the same extensive research data and documentation of the real, known history of mind control. There's also an experiential set of subjective criteria against which a valid victim's account will fit - or not - with my own senses.
Even with all of that, the missing time and memory gaps due to alters is extensive, creating odd situations where, for example, my siblings and I know each others' various personalities better than our own, if known at all consciously, recalled through their various encounters with ours and mine. It's like group therapy within each one of us. Very bizarre too!
In response to the "alien" cover disinformation or screen memories, I, too, once thought missing time meant I had abductions - and I recalled a nocturnal intercept by several small entities. Fortunately a neighbor also witnessed several men in black SWAT team-like uniforms that same night using bright lights in my back yard. He thought it was a film being made.
There are four different possibilities: alien abductions, MILAB or covert military/intel agency intercepts, MK Ultra Mind Control programmings or lucid dreaming/altered state experience misinterpreted as abduction, just to name the first few of many other explanations to such accounts. See the link near the bottom of the above list that references "alien love bite" for one therapist's perspective. As LilyPat says, Martin Cannon thinks all abductions are mind control, as do many other researchers. It is also clear that the counter intelligence programs use that as a cover with its protective, dismissive giggle factor intentionally emphasized in disinfo.
Mind control abuses and abductions have hidden under that cover story.
It has become the fixation and belief of many mind control victims too.
In my personal view, the real alien is the dangerous psychopath who will torture innocent children and captives for personal power and gratification and expendable exploitation without the slightest twinge of conscience. That is so alien to my sense of humanity that I'm still traumatized by it.
But one of my own alters is so ragingly destructive I have to pay for trashed hotel rooms and all their furnishings, so who am I to judge?
And on the sensitive point about how we can trust our own recall when some of that is known to be programmed as screen memory, the answer, candidly, is that we simply can't. That's why I keep a journal, a diary, a dream journal, a calendar, a notebook, a blackberry computer, to do lists and a running critical path planning agenda and itinerary recording my life. Even then I check with others constantly to help fill in the blanks.
I may be dissociated but at least I have each other! |
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Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but...
I keep reading about the alien abduction screen memories being a part of this. (In fact, it seems like everyone who believes they were a victim of MC has had them).
But I've also heard OSR say that not ALL alien abductions are screen memories, that some of them are "legit" (for lack a better word!) alien abductions.
So how do you tell the difference? |
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Okay... so I can buy into the whole MK Ultra and mind control victims. After all, the FOIA documentation for Project Bluebird & Project Artichoke speak loud and clear. The government's mind control projects definitely included using children as Guinea pigs and I've no doubt that some of these children grew up, began to recall an odd history of memories and are now relaying their stories on the internet. All of this is believable, to me.
What I can't buy into (or believe) is the alien/robots & children that were "supposedly" used for abduction memories. It just doesn't fit in, at all, with any information that I've read from any MC projects that were initiated by the government. There are way too many abductees, all across the world, for the MK Ultra project to be involved with. Most of these abductees have had multiple reoccurring experiences throughout their lifetime, experiences that spanned 10-20 years and followed them around the globe.
That being said, I'm ready to ask my next question.
As a MC victim, do you have any flashbacks or memories of being injected with a needle and if so, do you think or know with some certainty that it was LSD? If your answer to that question is "yes" or "maybe", I am wondering if you have also ever used LSD at any time in your life, of your own free will? Maybe you tried it during the 60's with your friends, when it was a popular drug? And if the answer is "yes" and you have tried it of your own free will, was it as if you had tried it previously?
I know it seems like a silly irrelevant question... but maybe it isn't, ya know? |
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Thank you'all for your answers.
I'm a skeptic on this issue because I don't have any similar experiences in my memory.
I do know that a number of studies have shown that young children can be made to believe they've experienced something that they have not experienced. So if young children's minds are vulnerable to intentional verbal suggestion? Then these same young minds are vulnerable to unintentional verbal suggestion. |
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